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think brooks may take him under his wing?

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Right now i\'m not going to worry about his wonderlic. He admits it takes him a little longer to learn things. He also says he has no problem to stay late to get things done right. He sounds like he was a good work ethic. He may have to study more than others but i think he will be prepared.

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I heard he\'s a slow reader, and its a timed test.

I\'ve listened to his interviews and he doesn\'t sound dumb to me. He even commented about being annoyed that the test had very little to do with football.

He\'ll be OK.

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Every year this comes up, this Wonderlic thing.

I\'m sure someone here knows, but what is the correlation between Wonderlic score and being a pro bowler? being a starter on a Super Bowl team? being a starter in the NFL?

I mean, I\'m just not convinced it tells you all that much.

Didn\'t Dan Marino score like a 3 or some ridiculous number?

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I heard him in an interview on espn. radio and read a transcript of him...no-he\'s not einstein..but the guy came across very well and failry articulate.

If he is a poor reader that could have major implications for his wonderlic score..and while I do prefer smarter players there has been no flags about him that scream..whoa..this guy is dumb...

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How hard could it be?

OK Jammal, on this play, you pancake that guy. After you pancake him, find the next closest guy and pancake him.

Go back to huddle for further instructions.

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Awesome Danno! I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that!

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We should try that with some of our other low scoring Wonderlic players.

OK :censored: on this play just give the ball to Deuce. OK, this one is harder. You have to take a FEW - three or five :censored:, not 15 - steps back and throw the ball in THAT direction to one of those guys in BLACK with a number 80 or higher. Oh lord, that\'s too much for you to remember. Call a time out.

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by WhoDat]

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.yes, but Marino was stoned out of his mind when he took it... :)

... the wonderlic doesn\'t really measure \"intelligence\", but rather how fast you think, and how fast you think under pressure... \"cognitive ability\"...
ESPN\'s Page 2 has a few sample questions http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

..as you can see, you don\'t need an MIT degree to answer them... but it is one thing to answer them at your leasure, and a different thing when you have the added pressure of not only the time constraint, but knowing that a low score can mean literally millions of dollars lost because you may not be drafted has high as you should..

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

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I just don\'t understand why people keeping bringing up \"wonderlick\" scores.

Like it really proves something!!

There are \"smarts\" and then there\'s \"football smarts.\"

I don\'t want Jammal Brown to ever perform open-heart surgery on me, but I\'d sure let him start at RT on my football team.

Some people just have a certain talent they are born with.

I know this guy who is a guitair player and he\'s a real dummy. But man he\'s one hell of a gutair player. He can\'t read music. Hell, he can barely read. But he\'s a better guitar player than some guys I know who are extremely talented.

It doesn\'t make any differnce how much those other guys practice, they\'ll never be as good as the \"dummy\" who plays gutair. He was just born with that talent.

And the samething is true in football. Some players are just naturally instinctive. They just make plays. They have a feel for the game.

Besides ... I don\'t know how smart you really need to be to block someone?!




[Edited on 26/4/2005 by GumboBC]

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Holy sh** that was funny. Anyways, I don\'t really think that this wonderlic score should be analyzed so much. A guy doesn\'t have to be a genius to play the game of football. This guy gave up ONE SACK in his last TWO SEASONS. I don\'t care if he can\'t ties his shoes, I\'m glad he\'s on our team.

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That\'s right, Deuce & BC. I\'d like to see Favre and Bradshaw\'s score.

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Would that be Turdly? I saw him jammin with Fonteno one day...




[Edited on 26/4/2005 by GumboBC] [/quote:2a5d10f376]

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..again, it is not an \"intelligence\" test.. it is a \"how fast you think under pressure\" test... you could be a heart surgeon and not do well in the wonderli... the wonderlic given to NFL players to be doesn\'t test knowledge...

...yes it doesn\'t take much brains to pancacke one guy coming straight at you, but what about if it is 2 guys? Did you get the whle play in the huddle?...You just set... the LB drops and the SS goes to the line... ball is snapped...do you know where your QB is? Do you know where your RB is?Which one you block and which one you let go?

...once you set, you only got a few seconds to see what\'s going on... once the ball is snapped, you have less seconds to react...

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Geez guy, last I heard, you go to college to better PREPARE yourself to earn a decent living. Needless to say after he signs, I think college has prepared him very well. Hell, he can probably buy the damn college now. He will make more money than most of us would ever dream of making yet we attempt to degrade him for scoring low on a test.

He has done nothing to hurt you but you laugh because he did not choose to be a doctor. I\'m sure some doctors will score less than 12 on the Wonderlic then come out and operate on you.

What are y\'all afraid of?

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I think he answered these questions last year.
2004, entire year...
1 Sack
0 Hurries

Looks like he aced it!

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Good point Danno. Can you live with at least a 10 million dollar signing bonus, and a 12 on the wonderlic.

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I like that a lot better than a 10 million dollar signing bonus, a 12 on the wonderlic, and him wearing a Panther\'s jersey.

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... well, that could very well be, but is not like he was going against Reggie White or Buddy Ryan\'s 46 defense every Saturday.. Anyway, that was not the point of the post... it was to merely point out that the wonderlic the NFL prospects get is not meant to test intelligence, that it attempts to measure cognitive ability, and why some NFL FO\'s may put weigth on it...

..it is just another part of the equation, right there with 40 times in perfect conditions without pads, or bench pressing, etc. , to give FO\'s what they think is a total picture of a player...

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Yep, another measurable. Unfortunately this team has had its share of atheletes with good measurables.
We don\'t have enough \"football\" players. I think this kid is a football player, as well as having every single measureable you could ever want in an O-lineman, except a high wonderlic.

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.. and I agree with you...

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Interesting Brock Berlin QB from Miami sliped pretty far in the draft because of the wonderlic score exam he scored a 13. Intresting Dan Marino\'s playing number for the Dolphins was 13.

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No, Brock Berlin\'s draft status slipped because he is a :censored:-ty QB. It had nothing to do with the wonderlic

[Edited on 27/4/2005 by saintsfan1313]

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There -are- certain situations where a high wonderlic certainly wouldn\'t hurt. Like at center, for instance, or at quarterback.

Don\'t we agree that a QB that learns/reacts more quickly is less likely to make mental mistakes? And that could certainly certainly be a factor in a close game.

I bring up the example (as someone else did in this thread) of AB\'s propensity for wasted time-outs. He could play smarter than that. And he\'s consistent about it.

I think that we all know that Wonderlic is not the end-all and be-all of playing football. But I also think it\'s fairly reasonable to state that at certain positions, and in certain situations, a high wonderlic can be an asset. Whereas a low one could be a detriment.

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What I\'m about to say has very little to do with Aaron Brooks and more to do with getting to the truth.

You stated that AB wasted timeouts. When, in fact, it\'s been widely reported that by Jim Haslett that they weren\'t getting the play to AB in time to get the play off.

Which is one of the reasons why they are cutting down on the lengthy teminology of the plays.

With the facts I know .. it seems to me that Brooks wasn\'t at fault. Guess that depends on whether or not you believe Haslett.


[Edited on 27/4/2005 by GumboBC]

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... Haslett says a lotta heckuva things...

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Alright Gumbo, I retract that remark about timeouts as an example. Assuming that\'s why all the timeouts where wasted, then that was a bad example to pose. And problems calling in plays is a beliveable difficulty of which I was unaware.

Let\'s try a different tack, but bearing on the same point I was making.

Q: everything else being equal, would you rather have a smart quarterback, or a dumb one?

Q: do you believe that wonderlic scores have any value whatsoever as intelligence indicators?

Those are the issues I was addressing.

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LordOfEntropy


I\'d rather have an intelligent QB over a dummy.

I don\'t place a lot of value in the wonderlic test as a true indicator of intelligence. It\'s not designed to measure intelligence. It\'s designed to see how fast you can answer a buch of questions in a short period of time. Sounds more like a \"decision-making\" test to me?

Just wanted to clear the thing up about Brooks being responsible for burning those timeouts. ;)

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The wonderlic has absolutely no value whatsoever. They just give these guys the test because they need a break to go get coffee and doughnuts. Those coaches and scouts are constantly looking for things to do to fill the extra time they have. They probably just give it so they can all sit around and have a big laugh after everyone else is gone.

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Hey watch it buddy your talking to a big time mioami hurricanes fan. And no Brock berlin is not a ****ty qb. If he is a ****ty qb how can you explain the come from behind comeback againts the Florida gators last year. I guess you forgot about that.

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Ya think?

See ... this is where I often get myself in trouble.

I could post an article in which Charlie Wonderlic said he didn\'t design the \'woderlic\' test to measure intelligence.

But, I\'d get accused of making things up or promoting some personal agenda I have ... :P ;)

When, in fact, I\'m just trying to get to the truth. Or have more information to determine what the truth really is. ;)

Sometimes people trip over the facts on their way to the question?

Okay ... I\'m just kidding. Not about what Charie Wondelic said, though.

I posted the article last year on the wonderlic test.

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I agree.

I\'ll modify one question and ask another.

First, everything else being equal, would you rather have a QB who can make quick and/or good decisions, or one who cannot???

(Doesn\'t it stand to reason that AB is at a disadvantage as an NFL QB if his ability to make decisions in a short period of time or pressure situation is below the average of ALL NFL players, let alone QBs???)


Second, how many really smart people do you know who are not able to make quick decisions?

(And let\'s clarify one thing here. This is not a \"should I buy a Mercedes or BMW???\" This is A love B, B loves C, does A therefore love C? These test a person\'s ability to make an accurate and quick decision given minimal straight forward facts. So again, how many real smart people do you know who can\'t do those basic types of decisions on an at least average basis? In other words, isn\'t there some relationship between intelligence and an ability to make these types of decisions??)

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Is it a written test? I heard he is an extremely slow reader. That probably wouldn\'t bode well for a timed test.

I still wouldn\'t worry about it.

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Did anyone read those sample questions from the link in TR\'s post? I found two or three questions to be a little difficult to work out in my head real quick, so I skipped those and went on to the next. I was just wondering if they put those questions in there to see if someone will bog down or go on. I am assuming, of course, that you are allowed to do that.

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My God. I just took a look at those questions.... My pet hamster could answer those questions! That isn\'t a test for intelligence, rather that\'s a test for a complete lack thereof.

Seriously, if that\'s the caliber of the material, and people are struggling with it, then not only am I shocked - I am outright disgusted. For Pete\'s SAKE!!

Sample Question: \"OK Bob, here\'s your question. What... is your...... name?..... \"

\"... You have 30 seconds Bob..... it ends with a B..... it ends with a B.... what is it Bob?...... 20 seconds left Bob....\"

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Alright blackwidows, lets dance:

We are all die-hard saints fans, but we can all admit when one of our players isnt the best thing since sliced bread.

This guy has a very inconsistent 2003 season, throws 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s. That on a very talented Miami squad is near impossible. He basically plays 2 seasons for the Hurricanes, has a crappy junior season. Stats are very hard to go off of in college because of the gap in talent in most games and sitting out in decisive victories. Lets take a look at some important games:

@VTech: 16 of 31 139yds-0 TD\'s, 1 INt. Game the lost, 16-10
Clemson: 22 of 46 245 yds-0 TD\'s, 0 Ints. They won in OT

Those are really the only games of meaning in the 2004 season. Now lets take a look at your beloved Florida game:

I\'m assuming you are talking about the game in the 2003 season??? Or is it the 2004 season game vs. the Gators. We will look at both:

2003 vs. Gators
Recap, statistically in the 2nd half he was great. But did we forget about the 2 int\'s he threw to go along with the fumble he had returned for a touchdown. The reason they went down so quickly, was due to his play. But, he still had 340 yds and 2 td\'s, to go along with 2 int\'s and a fumble. Not exactly the greatest game in college history. This game also capped off a season were he threw 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s.
Now leading your team to one big win in a game means jack. Even the sun shines on a dog\'s A$$ every once in a while. Ask the Saints

2004 vs. Gators

He had a whooping 13-24 171yds. 1 TD vs. 1 INT

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most of us can anyway...

its\' like the anylytical portion of the GRE....and yes..to score woeful on it is pretty amazing...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey.

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Let me throw some names at you guys ...

Peppers ( twice )
Strahan
Udeze
Schobel
Kerney( twice)
Little
Ogunleye
McGinnest/Vrabel
Abraham

That\'s 11 games that we are going to face some fierce pass-rushers. Hopefully, the \'wonderlic\' test won\'t give up an sacks. It hasn\'t hurt Brown in 2 years.

Jammal Brown said he only gave up one sack in 2 years. And get this ... he said the QB was supposed to spike the ball but he decided not to. HAHA!!

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I have to wonder. Those questions certainly weren\'t differentail equations, rocket science, or dissertations on Crime & Punishment. Those questions were from elementary school -if that.

What really gets me is these guys are (supposedly) college seniors.... average 6th graders could answer those questions.

I know that athletes get the free ride, but Jesus.....

Hey, man, -I- could answer those questions, no problem, and believe me, I\'m a moron, I mean it - an absolute imbecile, a cetified bonehead, a borderline CRETIN. I never even finished -high- school (much less college).

And AB struggled on THAT!?! After four years of college?!? My god. I just don\'t know what else to say. I\'m shocked.

The guy is dumber than a box of rocks.

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if i may loe...................that\'s mr. moron to all you other members.......................anytime i can be of more service, let me know.............smitty