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saintswhodi 04-26-2005 11:16 AM

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Ravens strike gold with Clayton
By Randy Mueller
ESPN Insider
Archive

As teams go back to the drawing board for Day 2 of the draft, here is a look back at some Day 1 highlights – from a front office perspective:

Analysis: First round | Second round | Third round | Day 2 look-ahead


Best move
The Saints gave up a third-round pick in 2006 to move up three spots and get ahead of Carolina to draft OLT Jammal Brown from Oklahoma. In doing their homework, the Saints knew the Panthers had Brown high on their draft board and that his toughness and passion were what John Fox & Co. were looking for.
No in-house consensus could be found regarding Alex Barron, the somewhat underachieving tackle from Florida State, so the Saints pulled the trigger, leap-frogged a division rival and beat them to the punch on Brown.

Surprise pick
If you'd have told me Jacksonville would have picked WR/TE Matt Jones (Arkansas) and OLT Kalif Barnes (Washington) in the first two rounds, I would not have batted an eye. It's how they got them that makes you shake your head.
Barnes was rated by most as a first-round tackle, most likely the third one to come off the board in the middle or end of the round. Jones, a project who has played about 20 plays at receiver, was supposed to be an option at 31 for Philadelphia. Instead, the Jags took a giant leap of faith and selected Jones at 21; somehow Barnes fell to them at 52 in the second round. It's like two pars in a row on the golf course for some of us. You don't have to describe it – just mark down two 4's.


Some things never change
With the 22nd pick in the first round, Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens' front-office guru, took this year's version of Ed Reed or Todd Heap – Mark Clayton from Oklahoma.
Clayton is a very polished receiver who will play early in his career and have people asking how Baltimore got him at 22. Sometimes it pays to not overthink your position in round one and just have patience. Ozzie is the master of that and may have struck gold once again with Clayton.


Intriguing pick of the day
When Matt Millen was quoted in a local paper last week as saying "by Saturday we will have no holes to fill," we should have known anything would be possible. With the Lions having a need or two on defense, Millen went against that conventional wisdom and drafted a falling star in WR Mike Williams from USC. It sounds great on paper, and Detroit will be a fantasy-football guy's dream, but let's see how Steve Mariucci handles the cries that are sure to follow about playing time and working in a three-receiver set more than 30 percent of the time.

Dilemma of the day
You could see this one coming a few miles away, but when speculation began late last week that Cal QB Aaron Rodgers might fall to the bottom of the first round, you figured things would get uneasy in Cheese-land.
With Brett Favre's future in limbo beyond this year, Packers fans are screaming for a plan to replace him. Unfortunately for head coach Mike Sherman and new GM Ted Thompson, they are also screaming for a legitimate defense to slow somebody down as well. With a first-year GM (armed with a long-term contact) and a coach entering the last year of his contract, the different timelines to win are obvious.

Rodgers might have been the best selection for the Packers as an organization, but I'm not sure it helps Sherman and his staff win games this year. That is what's called being stuck between a rock and a hard place if you're Thompson. Hopefully, Sherman gets an extension and everybody wins.


Greedy Bills
It has been no secret the Bills have wanted to trade disgruntled running back Travis Henry. The three most likely suitors were the Cardinals, Bucs and Eagles. Ouch, not so fast. All three teams drafted running backs on Day 1 instead of folding to the high demands of the Bills. Now, Buffalo must deal with Henry for 2005 or be willing to take a second-day choice this year or maybe a 2006 choice.
Stay tuned, Day 2 should be just as interesting.


Randy has something nice to say about the Saints? Could bygones be bygones? Come back Randy.

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 11:18 AM

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Greedy Bills
It has been no secret the Bills have wanted to trade disgruntled running back Travis Henry. The three most likely suitors were the Cardinals, Bucs and Eagles. Ouch, not so fast. All three teams drafted running backs on Day 1 instead of folding to the high demands of the Bills. Now, Buffalo must deal with Henry for 2005 or be willing to take a second-day choice this year or maybe a 2006 choice.
Could he also have substituted greedy Bills for greedy Saints? ;)

LKelley67 04-26-2005 11:35 AM

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Barnes was rated by most as a first-round tackle, most likely the third one to come off the board in the middle or end of the round
i\'m trying to get over it but DJ+Barnes still sounds better than Brown+Bullocks to me.

and on that greed thing...
i\'m still looking at draft board value charts- :seeingstars:
if had taken #31 from philly for howard,
THEN #31+#40 traded could have gotten DJ and Jammal Brown BOTH!

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 11:44 AM

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Kelley, you mean we coulda had Brown, then gotten Ruud and Burnett or gotten DJ, then had Ruud and Barnes or Barnes and Burnett? You\'re killing me man. :weepy:

Danno 04-26-2005 11:54 AM

Randy Mueller praises Saints for Brown pick
 
And with next year\'s bumper crop of OT\'s, I could see us go LT in the 1st or 2nd. Err, assuming Stinchcomb doesn\'t work out.

LKelley67 04-26-2005 12:02 PM

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as things were burnett was on the board to be had (odell thurman too)! cowboys snapped him up 2 picks later. bullocks better be damn good and learn how to stuff a run behind these dt\'s and lb\'s.

killing YOU!? maybe ya are understanding the funk i have been in since saturday more then.

ps/ isn\'t a bullock a castrated bull?

even if they wanted bullock a top rated Lb coulda been had. what about getting brown and dj?! it was doable. the 2006 3rd to move up n get brown. #31+#40 can get you to #14 on the value charts, the carolina slot after houston. bam-bam, best LB and best OT. how would that have felt? ya see, i don\'t count the picks as they were as so terrible. most grade it B to C. but DJ AND JB, that would have been impressive. or any of those other combos LOL

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by LKelley67]

JKool 04-26-2005 12:05 PM

Randy Mueller praises Saints for Brown pick
 
Building from strength on the Bullocks pick... keep saying it. If you say it enough times, you may come to believe it LK. You\'re just working yourself up again.

This thread made me sad. Brown, Ruud, and Burnett... damn.

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 12:21 PM

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Kelley just made me sad too Kool. I guess I do see why he was in a funk. I was just pissed we didn\'t take DJ, but when you think about what we COULDA had :killtard:

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

JKool 04-26-2005 12:24 PM

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Well, normally I don\'t agree with this kind of thing, but draft picks haven\'t even seen the feild yet. I suppose I\'ll try and wait to be upset about this until I see what some of those rookies do on the field. Still, the hypothetical hurts a little.

ScottyRo 04-26-2005 01:47 PM

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Still, the hypothetical hurts a little.
It shouldn\'t hurt, Kool. That whole line of thinking is based on IF Philly would have given up #31 for Howard. We have no reason to believe they would. So, why stop there? With that kind of an IF we could have had any pick in the first round.

LKelley67 04-26-2005 02:19 PM

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philly DID offer it and it was turned down, reported in the press. i don\'t have time to search for a link now. it might have been one of the reporters on espn saturday. werder maybe.

baronm 04-26-2005 02:24 PM

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wait-they DID offer it? that makes no sense..none. yes-this team probably will go back to the superbowl next year barring any major inuries..but still....

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 02:48 PM

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I\'ll help you Kelley. God forbid anyone wants to say anything bad about the Saints FO. They are apparently infallible in all instances.
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Trade activity could include N.O.\'s Howard
Saturday, April 23, 2005
By Jeff Duncan
Staff writer
Grab your pencils and erasers, it could be a busy day of trades today in the NFL draft.

The disparity in player rankings among teams and the high number of veteran players on the blocks are the reasons.

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\"This might be a record-setter,\" first-year Seattle general manager Tim Ruskell said. \"I don\'t remember one with this much activity being talked about prior to the draft.\"

Saints general manager Mickey Loomis said he doesn\'t expect this weekend\'s draft to be any more chaotic than others.

\"I think it\'ll be the same as past years, there\'ll be about 20 to 30 deals,\" Loomis said.

The Saints might contribute to that total.

New Orleans has shopped defensive end Darren Howard throughout the offseason. The Saints have also dangled tight end Boo Williams and guard Kendyl Jacox, according to two league sources.

Dallas still seems the most willing suitor for Howard, whom the Saints have designated as their franchise player. The Cowboys have two first-round picks, Nos. 11 and 20, and a willingness to pull the trigger. Dallas has dealt its first-round pick 10 times since 1993, including last year to Buffalo.

The Saints have fielded calls from Dallas, Washington and Philadelphia this week.

The Cowboys reportedly offered to swap first-round picks with the Saints, sending the No. 11 pick to New Orleans in exchange for the No. 16 and Howard.

Philadelphia also reportedly offered its first-round pick, No. 31 overall, for Howard.

The Saints, however, appear reluctant to part with their most productive defender for anything less than a middle first-rounder.

Howard, who led the Saints with 11 sacks last season, has been a regular participant in the club\'s offseason conditioning program. The Saints are scheduled to pay him a $7.8 million base salary this season. Loomis would like to lower that figure so he can complete long-term contract extensions with Joe Horn, Deuce McAllister, LeCharles Bentley and Mike McKenzie.

If Howard isn\'t dealt, the Saints are expected to sign him to a long-term deal in July that would lower his $7.8 million salary-cap figure.

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

ScottyRo 04-26-2005 03:06 PM

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Philadelphia also reportedly offered its first-round pick, No. 31 overall, for Howard.

Interesting that the Birds offered #31 and NO said no.

It\'s not as interesting when you consider it\'s probably a leak from NO to pump Howard\'s value and is just untrue.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/i...opic=14696.120

A tidbit from an Eagles forum. I\'ll have to agree with the sentiment that this \"offer\" was not actually made. It just doesn\'t make sense that the FO didn\'t accept it considering it was the highest \"offer\" I\'ve heard about and our need to unload his contract. Funny thing about all these \"reported\" happenings...they mean nothing without being backed up.

I\'m sticking with it being an IF!

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 03:16 PM

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So basically Scotty, and i\'ve had this discussion before, anything reported should not be believed? We have devolved into an unless you were there, saw it, heard it, and filmed it board? So anytime someone posts a link, we should automatically poo poo it cause we didn\'t see it happen? And we should believe the word of fans from an Eagles forum who may or may not have had ANY interest in acquiring Howard?

And the link you posted was to some Eagles fans saying HEY Let\'s do it and some saying it\'s a ploy? How was that supposed to convinve me more than a published article? That\'s a forum just like this one. AND the article I posted said clearly the Saints wanted a mid first rounder for Howard. Now if they want a mid first rounder, and they are offered a very late first rounder, well, I don\'t need to explain that. I\'m sticking with Kelley that it happened. And we let an opportunity pass.

GumboBC 04-26-2005 03:28 PM

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Do I beleive an article that said the Eagles offered a 1st? NOPE!!

And why would I? Because it was in an article?

I will say this: They MIGHT have.

I\'ve read all kinds of things written in articles that weren\'t true.

There\'s just not enough proof at this point to say one way or the other.

Believe it if ya want to, though. It COULD be true.


ScottyRo 04-26-2005 03:38 PM

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You\'re right the Eagles fans were on both sides, too.

I posted that just to show that I\'m not alone in my thinking that it seems strange that NO would pass that up considering everything.

The thing is...if a report came out saying the Eagles offered that to the Saints, that\'s one thing. What we have here is an article saying that the author cannot assure the veracity of the comment that the Saints were offered that, but is only giving comment on the situation if that is true.

Until it is confirmed it is all speculation and that is where we get into the if\'s. There\'s really nothing wrong with discussing all the possibilities, but this entire thread on what we could have done with a pick that was reportedly offered, yet unverified, seems supurfluous to me.

I not saying that you don\'t have the right to speculate all day long if you want. I was just telling Kool that I don\'t think he should feel SO bad about it since for all we know it is nothing more than myth.

saintswhodi 04-26-2005 03:45 PM

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I can agree with that Scotty. But also the part of the article that makes me believe it more is
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The Saints, however, appear reluctant to part with their most productive defender for anything less than a middle first-rounder.
That quote alone covers the base of why they didn\'t take it. They wanted more. Hence my questioning if the too greedy part of Mueller\'s article could be applied to us. If I say I want a Whopper with cheese, and you just give me a Whopper, I am gonna refuse that. IF(as you say) the Saints wanted MORE than just a late first rounder, and that\'s all they got, then they stuck to their guns and didn\'t take it. A late first rounder is not a middle first rounder. But like I said, I can also see your point. Allow us to still feel down about the possibility. ;)

ScottyRo 04-26-2005 03:51 PM

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By all means...don\'t let me stop you from feeling down. ;)


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