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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts ...

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Old 05-09-2018, 09:58 AM   #101
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The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally.

The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption?

An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work.

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Here's Ingram's camp's first public response...



Update: Apologies Chris, saw you posted this - guess this thread is really hot this a.m. - life moving fast in the B&G...
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The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally.

The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption?

An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ned-substance/
Consider the source on that one, Michael David Smith. A Chicago based blogger with no legal expertise. Once again, let's wait and see. If a suspension does come down it doesn't mean it was anything of an egregious nature.
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In a statement, Ingram's agent said his client had a "proper use exemption" for the substance which Ingram tested positive. "At the end of the 2017 season, as a result of a NFL mandated random drug test, Mark tested positive for a substance that was not a performance enhancing substance, nor an illegal substance, but a substance in fact permissible with the proper use exemption with the NFL," Ingram's agent said. A decision from an arbitrator is due by May 16.

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Hope this all works out for Ingram.....we need him the first 4 games. If his Agent's statement is correct, it seems very unusual it would have gotten to the point of handing down a suspension. Something tells me that the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle. Guess we wait to hear from the arbitrator.....
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Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.
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Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.
Yes it is. Not surprising, but very disappointing.
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Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.
Character assassination...

Tough crowd .
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If mark had an exemption for the product why did the NFL hand cuff him if they know he would be set free ? Chew on that. Let your people get with my people and then we’ll schedule a lunch meeting in Tahoe . Mark I’m on your side till .
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Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.
Well, unfortunately that is our culture of #fakenews - it was initially reported as a positive test for a banned PED and toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube so easily...

What's amazing to me is that several news sources reported Ingram seeking a new contract in a low-key blurb a few weeks after the playoffs...

Those same media outlets now say he's asking for a raise like he did it after the positive test - I'd like to see the actual chronology accurately reported...

Then I'd like to see these kids who erroneously reported or shaded the facts receive a public @sswhopin' on a three-manned gallows (one white, one black, one asian)...

More public @sswhopin's would put an end to a lot of this schite - they use to tar and feather cowards that did this back in the day - again our forefathers were wiser...

Disclaimer: Again, I've never been a big Mark Ingram fan; I don't want to see his contract redone that I expect him to honor in full faith and participation...

When his current contract was negotiated - I was in favor of keeping him as he finally was performing well and he was our best free agent option in that market...

And I wouldn't have a problem if we let him walk at the expiration of his contract if we have a back who can split the load as he and Kamara have...

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