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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I stole this post off of another board. The dude makes a damn good point to me. Rip it apart guys!! This question goes out to those posters who are high on McPherson and down on Sully. I can understand ...

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Old 04-27-2005, 03:54 PM   #1
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I stole this post off of another board. The dude makes a damn good point to me.

Rip it apart guys!!

This question goes out to those posters who are high on McPherson and down on Sully. I can understand those who are down on both or those who are high on both but I'm having trouble understanding the position of those who are flip floppy.

Ok...

What Sully did was immature and showed lack of character on his part. Maybe I don't know the full story but what I got out of it is, he's big and fat, he was hungry, he chowed down. He was clearly not thinking but he wasn't putting the team in any detriment and nothing he did was illegal.

McPherson knew what he was doing and broke the law. He knew that if he got caught he would be kicked out and yet he put the team at detriment anyway. He's obviously a lot younger than Sully, but still...

I know that McPherson has 'turned a new leaf' but all reports (short of the ones right before the draft, which I don't think we true) had Sully as turning a new leaf.

I am high on both but have misgivings for both. I just want to know...

How can you embrace one and not the other?
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Old 04-27-2005, 03:58 PM   #2
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That\'s easy. Sully did what he did while under contract with the Saints, McPhereson didn\'t. I give a **** what he did in college.

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Old 04-27-2005, 03:59 PM   #3
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...something in the lines of embracing skinny girls you just met and ignoring fat chicks that don\'t put out?
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:00 PM   #4
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How can you embrace one and not the other?
I\'m not an FSU fan?
Seems to me that Sully\'s immaturity hurt the Saints. McPherson\'s hurt the Seminoles (whom I detest anyway).

For example, if we cut Sully and he goes on to be a hall of fame player for the Falcons, I\'d still detest him for what he did to us.
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:01 PM   #5
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First of all, McPherson didn\'t do his screwing up while making #6 overall money. We\'ve been paying Sullivan, but he hasn\'t been performing.

Second, I\'d be shocked to know anyone didn\'t have questions about whether McPherson has truly put things behind him. The only question left for Sulivan is whether he will even be worth keeping on the team. He will never prove to be worth the 2 first round picks we gave up for him.

The bottomline is McPherson is new and will be given some latitide and time to show us who he is. Sully has already had that chance and is at the end of the rope.
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:08 PM   #6
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I thought this would spark some good conversation. Saints\' fans are nothing if not passionate!!

Both guys are very young, right?

Both made mistakes, right?

Both were considered extremely talented, right?

So, the main difference is Sully screwed up as a Saints and we gave up a lot to get him? Correct?

And McPhearson ... well ... he hasn\'t hurt us yet and we didn\'t give up a lot to get him?

Still, Sully didn\'t tell Micky Loomis and Haslett to give up 2-first round picks for him. Seems like you guys should be mad at Loomis and Haslett for that. Not Jonathan Sullivan.

You should be mad at Sullivan for not doing everything in his power to be the best player he can be. But does Sullivan not deserve another chance like you guys are giving McPhearson?
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:11 PM   #7
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McPherson now has a two year track record of having changed.
The only thing that implies Sully has changed are a couple of mini-camp reports, many of which contradict each other.

McPherson is MUCH further along in proving he regrets the errors of his youth. Sullivan hasn\'t even started yet.
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I do not know what I could add to all of the other responses except for my own personal opinions -- I completely agree with Scotty -- we wasted 2 #1\'s on Sully; We are paying Sully big bucks currently hurting our cap -- Sully is a drag on the team\'s morale.

Now Mcpherson -- cost us a number 5 and will cost us a number 5 salary; performed well in the Arena league which is a step above college ball, has a chip on his shoulder to prove the NFL he is a claiber QB.

All in all I would say it is completely obvious why we can have different opinions on the 2 subjects.

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McPherson now has a two year track record of having changed.
The only thing that implies Sully has changed are a couple of mini-camp reports, many of which contradict each other.

McPherson is MUCH further along in proving he regrets the errors of his youth. Sullivan hasn\'t even started yet.
Danno --

You\'ve only got McPhearson\'s word that he\'s changed. Just like Sully has given his word.

Not a lot to go on for either one.

McPherson is MUCH further along in proving he regrets the errors of his youth?????????????

Yeah, well, he commited his \"sin\" MUCH longer ago than what Sully did. Stands to reason that he\'s MUCH further along. But, just because he hasn\'t stolen any checks in a couple of years really doesn\'t indicate he won\'t screw up again.

And McPhearson\'s \"sin\" was a lot worse than Sully.

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Old 04-27-2005, 04:19 PM   #10
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Come on guys ....

Loomis and Haslett gave up 2-first round picks for Sully.

Jonathan had nothing to do with that.

Did you blame Ricky Williams for Mika Ditka giving up a whole draft for him? Come on!! That wasn\'t Rickey\'s fault.

If you guys want to blame someone for giving up 2 first round picks ... shouldn\'t you blame Haslett and Loomis?

Jonathan Sullivan\'s fault??????
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