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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on ...

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Old 09-12-2018, 03:51 PM   #41
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They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on the right side of the field where the safety is supposed to be hovering and making plays. Williams isn't a single high safety in my opinion. He's not consistent at it at least. We should try some Cover 2 and 2-Man under. Cover 6 as well. 6 is Cover 2 on one side and Cover 3 on the other. Crawley should almost always be the Cover 2 side because he's a liability in deep coverage. He holds for no reason.
Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?
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Old 09-12-2018, 04:15 PM   #42
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Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?
Granted I did not watch the entire game, but when I was watching he had all day and all night, some vacation time, some personal days, and even a few sick days to casually look around and toss the ball.
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Granted I did not watch the entire game, but when I was watching he had all day and all night, some vacation time, some personal days, and even a few sick days to casually look around and toss the ball.
You saw the isolated plays where that occurred. It was clear their initial game plan was to get the ball out quickly and one play struck gold and after that it was downhill.
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Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?
Most definitely. If he’s getting the ball off that fast you have to press and throw off that timing. Disguise coverages. It’s a bad situation though because Evans scored a TD on a go by beating the press of Lattimore. Crawley was getting burned by Jackson so I don’t trust him to press either. That’s why they should have ran 2-Man under so the safeties would be over the top on both sides in case somebody lost at the line. You let Robinson handle Humphries and you put Davis on the TE. If the running back stays in to block the extra linebacker needs to help on the TE or spy the QB.
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Most definitely. If he’s getting the ball off that fast you have to press and throw off that timing. Disguise coverages. It’s a bad situation though because Evans scored a TD on a go by beating the press of Lattimore. Crawley was getting burned by Jackson so I don’t trust him to press either. That’s why they should have ran 2-Man under so the safeties would be over the top on both sides in case somebody lost at the line. You let Robinson handle Humphries and you put Davis on the TE. If the running back stays in to block the extra linebacker needs to help on the TE or spy the QB.
It looks to me like they came into the game with the perfect plan that clicked. I doubt they can pull that off again and also doubt it would work again against our defense. At least it would surprise me.

Another question, Rez. How can a team efficiently make the adjustments during the game to adjust to that offensive approach? How effective can the adjustments be?
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Old 09-12-2018, 05:10 PM   #46
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I need to watch the game again, but I think we're playing a lot of Cover 1 and Cover 3 like Atlanta. I don't believe we have that kind of speed on this team. Not to mention, that leaves Williams to cover the middle of the field alone. That would explain Desean Jackson running by himself with Williams chasing him after he beat Crawley. It was probably a Cover 3 with Williams rolling over from Lattimore's side to Crawley's. You've got to have a specific kind of safety to run that defense efficiently. Earl Thomas comes to mind.

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I went and looked at the first Desean Jackson TD. It definitely looked like Cover 3. Williams was the single high safety and Jackson was working out of the slot. That's the weak spot of the Cover 3...the seams. Williams took too long to come over trying to worry about the whole field, which pretty much reassures me he's not a center fielder. Crawley should have been back as well in position to get an interception, but he was busy worried about the man on the outside. Seems to me like not only are people not doing their jobs, but they're running defenses that don't fit the skill set of the personnel.
SP is notorious for trying to copy other successful defenses systems. Same thing happened a few years ago when Seattle was so dangerous. He wanted his defense to look like Seattle’s and said screw the personnel. He loves a square in a round hole. Maybe he needs to let Allen just do his job. Our defense was fine last year and I doubt it was Allen’s idea to change things. People who want to keep their jobs don’t go around completely changing things that they just started getting right.
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SP is notorious for trying to copy other successful defenses systems. Same thing happened a few years ago when Seattle was so dangerous. He wanted his defense to look like Seattle’s and said screw the personnel. He loves a square in a round hole. Maybe he needs to let Allen just do his job. Our defense was fine last year and I doubt it was Allen’s idea to change things. People who want to keep their jobs don’t go around completely changing things that they just started getting right.
If this is indeed the fact then I agree. Most of the personnel are the same as last year's successes with a few upgrades on defense. On the same page here.
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I agree, he was getting the ball out fast but when he threw the many bombs he threw, he had ALL day to just sit there and wait for the receiver to get open.

If we can get the pass rush figured out, we will have better production in the back end. Like always, it all starts and ends with the D line.
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Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?
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It looks to me like they came into the game with the perfect plan that clicked. I doubt they can pull that off again and also doubt it would work again against our defense. At least it would surprise me.

Another question, Rez. How can a team efficiently make the adjustments during the game to adjust to that offensive approach? How effective can the adjustments be?
Most times coaches try to stick to what they worked on throughout the week. Allen probably said we need to get more pressure, press, and be more disciplined. He didn’t make any major adjustments, and if he would have I believe they could have at least slowed that offense down and stopped giving up big plays.
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I don’t know but am learning the more intricate parts of the game yet. From what I saw though it seemed the players were expected to play different style football than they did last year. Williams was all over the field, he’s not Deon Jones, Lattimore and Crawley seemed to be playing off the receivers etc.
We got a good, proven MLB and have him rotating.

Last year our DBs were playing primarily man. From what I saw that wasn’t the case Sunday. It could be that the receivers were simply getting no separation IDK.
In any case they need to put David at MLB and get some consistency there so they can jel.
I also hope Meridith makes it back soon and Carr can step up because having to rely solely on See ya tomarra Kamara and Thomas is dangerous.

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