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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; One of our members has a signature referring to pessimists as being worse than losers. I have a few statements that I think should put that claim in it's proper perspective. 1). First of all, we are all Saints fans, ...

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Old 05-24-2005, 06:54 AM   #1
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Proper perspective

One of our members has a signature referring to pessimists as being worse than losers. I have a few statements that I think should put that claim in it's proper perspective.

1). First of all, we are all Saints fans, correct? I know there will be
adverse reactions to this, but, doesn't the fact that we are all Saints
fans make us all losers? I mean, seriously. One playoff win in 38
years. When you make a statement like that it's almost like the pot
calling the kettle black.

2). Coming to a Saint message board and expecting to find optimistic
people is almost like going to a cathouse looking for a virgin. Give
me a break.

3). And finally, you may call out the pessimist by comparing them to
losers, but have you ever considered what someone being optimistic
when it comes to the Saints despite their long history of failure looks
like. I am not going to make any comparisons, I just thought you
may need a little perspective.
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Old 05-24-2005, 07:28 AM   #2
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Please don't confuse criticism with pessimism. There are plenty of guys here (you included LB) that are quite knowledgeable about the game and correctly point out valid problems with this team. But there are some posts that just keep hammering the "ah nevermind, we suck, we'll never do anything right" attitude.

Mention a positive about our Saints, and there right there with a negative to crap on it.
Mention a negative about another team, and there right there with a positive to crap on it.

My favorites are the folks who say this team has no talent. But then say Haslett sucks because we've underachieved for so many years.

There was a poster here a while back, that whenever you mentioned ANY Saints player (not just Brooks) in a positive light, he'd immediately go look up the "Negatives" from a scouting report and completely ignore the "Positives" sections. I think he did it because he knew it got my blood pressure skyrocketing. That is the pessimist attitude I'm referring to.

Take Josh Bullocks. His scouting report said he was a good versus the run, and excellent versus the pass.
It took about 3 posts for someone to say "Great, we draft a safety who can't tackle, another Tebuckey Jones"

To me, thats a pessimist. But I'll change my sig if its offensive to you, or anyone else for that matter.

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Old 05-24-2005, 08:00 AM   #3
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Danno, don't change your sig just for me. Your response cleared some things up for me....mainly that you don't include me in that group of people who are worse than losers!!

There is no possible way that anyone could want the Saints to win more than me. I think my problem is that I have been waiting way too long. My skeptical nature regarding the Saints is really just a defensive mechanism. If I don't let myself go around thinking that all is perfect in the world of black and gold, then I don't feel so let down when good things don't happen. I believe it is a learned behavior when talking about the Saints.
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:12 AM   #4
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This thread sucks... losers! LOL
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:27 AM   #5
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So basically, blind ass optimism and overwhelming naivete ignoring anything remotely not in that realm is the order of the day? You can have it. Don't they usually call a woman who stays in an abusive relationship a dumb ass, especially if she continues to paint her abusive husband as a model citizen? Every one of us has earned the right to be as critical of this team as we like, so all that loser, pessimist WTF ever talk can take a long walk off a short pier. I hope it's a sunny day for that walk though. How's that for optimism?
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:35 AM   #6
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When are the Saints going to win? They will go to and win the superbowl the first year they are in their new stadium in their new city. Aaron brooks will throw for 350yds 3TDs and the defense will have 4 takeaways and 1 defensive TD.

How is that for pessimism.

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Old 05-24-2005, 10:08 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
So basically, blind ass optimism and overwhelming naivete ignoring anything remotely not in that realm is the order of the day? You can have it. Don't they usually call a woman who stays in an abusive relationship a dumb ass, especially if she continues to paint her abusive husband as a model citizen? Every one of us has earned the right to be as critical of this team as we like, so all that loser, pessimist WTF ever talk can take a long walk off a short pier. I hope it's a sunny day for that walk though. How's that for optimism?
I'm totally convinced that you either...
A) Didn't read anything I wrote.
B) Incapable of comprehending even if you did read it.

There's a fine line between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance simply means you were never informed. Stupidity means your informed but still don't get it.
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Whoa! That's a strong statement.
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Dude, name calling in "code" isn't gonna excuse your stance Pollyanna. I am informed enough to know anytime ANYONE questions ANYTHING that is said about the Saints, you will scuttle in and deride them or make a comment about how we all suck cause we aren't the Sunshine Band. Or if you predict .500, you are a loser, oh sorry, pessimist. Did I read this wrong?

Mention a positive about our Saints, and there right there with a negative to crap on it.
Mention a negative about another team, and there right there with a positive to crap on it.
Isn't that how you feel? What's the saying for someone who doesn't understand a response to what they write? Is there a level below ignorance and stupidity? Who is it that does this is maybe a better question? Making vague generalizations does nothing to further your point. Who are these mysterious always pessimistic individuals who are out to ruin the fourm and squash all optimism wherever it may lie? Got some names? I can guarantee anyone you mention I can find posts where they have said positive things about players or the team in general.

Didn't you also say this?

There was a poster here a while back, that whenever you mentioned ANY Saints player (not just Brooks) in a positive light, he'd immediately go look up the "Negatives" from a scouting report and completely ignore the "Positives" sections. I think he did it because he knew it got my blood pressure skyrocketing. That is the pessimist attitude I'm referring to.
Who was it that dared piss off the great Danno? Got a name? Who dared rain on the great smoke up your ass parade of 2005? Are they still around? Are you gonna say this person never posted one positive thing about this team or any of its players? No, cause NOONE here is like that. So again, explain to me the level below stupidity and ignorance where you don't understand a response to what you write. I may be too stupid and ignorant to have that low of an understanding.
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