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tiggerpolice 06-07-2005 01:45 PM

Levar Fisher
 
what do u guys think of this guy.....theres been alot of talk about all our other lb's and pick up another vet....but this guy was rated higher than peter boulerware and some of our current lb's in the free agency by some people...besides that we got hes younger and didn't hit our cap as hard as peter woul....i know he has had injury problems but so did peter and peter had a better supporting cast .....in which would free him up to make more plays.....do u guys think that uf ray lewis and company was not there he would still put up the same #'s......i think the guy is a solid lb.....got some info take a look........


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Pos Pos OLB
Rank Rating Name Type Yr Ht/Wt College Current Team Signed Team
OLB 1 Julian Peterson Fran. 5 6-3/235 Michigan State San Francisco San Francisco
OLB 2 Will Witherspoon RFA 3 6-1/231 Georgia Carolina Carolina
OLB 3 Akin Ayodele RFA 3 6-1.5/251 Purdue Jacksonville Jacksonville
OLB 4 Ian Gold UFA 5 6-0/225 Michigan Tampa Bay Denver
OLB 5 Chris Claiborne UFA 6 6-3/259 USC Minnesota St. Louis
OLB 6 David Thornton RFA 3 6-2/230 North Carolina Indianapolis Indianapolis
OLB 7 Mark Fields UFA 10 6-2/244 Washington State Carolina
OLB 8 Dexter Coakley UFA 8 5-10/236 Appalachian State Dallas St. Louis
OLB 9 Scott Fujita RFA 3 6-5/248 California Kansas City Kansas City
OLB 10 Raynoch Thompson UFA 5 6-2/217 Tennessee Arizona Green Bay
OLB 11 Levar Fisher UFA 3 6-1/235 North Carolina State Arizona New Orleans
OLB 12 Peter Boulware UFA 8 6-4/255 Florida State Baltimore
OLB 13 Matt Stewart UFA 4 6-3/232 Vanderbilt Atlanta Cleveland
OLB 14 Tommy Polley UFA 3 6-3.5/218 Florida State St. Louis Baltimore
OLB 15 Warrick Holdman UFA 6 6-1/235 Texas A&M Cleveland Washington
OLB 16 Ike Reese UFA 7 6-2/232 Michigan State Philadelphia Atlanta
OLB 17 Sedrick Hodge UFA 4 6-4/244 North Carolina New Orleans New Orleans
OLB 18 Hannibal Navies UFA 6 6-3/247 Colorado Green Bay Green Bay
OLB 19 Morlon Greenwood UFA 4 6-0/239 Syracuse Miami Houston
OLB 20 Keith Adams UFA 4 5-11/223 Clemson Philadelphia Philadelphia
OLB NR Keith Newman UFA 6 6-2/248 North Carolina Minnesota Minnesota
OLB NR James Allen RFA 3 6-2/240 Oregon State New Orleans New Orleans
OLB NR Roman Phifer UFA 14 6-2/248 UCLA New England
OLB NR Jason Gildon UFA 11 6-4/255 Oklahoma State Jacksonville
OLB NR Brandon Moore RFA 3 6-1/242 Oklahoma San Francisco San Francisco
OLB NR Kevin Bentley UFA 3 6-1/240 Northwestern Cleveland Seattle
OLB NR Brian Allen UFA 4 6-0/232 Florida State Carolina Washington
OLB NR Carlos Polk UFA 4 6-2/250 Nebraska San Diego San Diego
OLB NR Artie Ulmer UFA 6 6-3/247 Valdosta State Atlanta
OLB NR Darrin Smith UFA 12 6-1/230 Miami (Fl) New Orleans
OLB NR DaShon Polk UFA 5 6-2/235 Arizona Houston Houston
OLB NR Don Davis UFA 9 6-2/234 Kansas New England New England
OLB NR Donnie Spragan UFA 4 6-4/240 Stanford Denver Miami
OLB NR Eric Westmoreland UFA 4 6-0/233 Tennessee Cleveland
OLB NR Fred Jones UFA 4 6-2/246 Colorado Kansas City
OLB NR Jason Glenn UFA 4 6-0/231 Texas A&M NY Jets
OLB NR Jessie Armstead UFA 12 6-1/232 Miami (Fl) Carolina
OLB NR Kenyatta Wright UFA 4 6-0/240 Oklahoma State NY Jets NY Jets
OLB NR Marcus Bell UFA 5 6-1/240 Arizona Houston
OLB NR Marcus Wilkins RFA 3 6-2/230 Texas Cincinnati Cincinnati
OLB NR Quinton Caver UFA 4 6-4/230 Arkansas Kansas City Kansas City
OLB NR Saleem Rasheed RFA 3 6-3/225 Alabama San Francisco San Francisco
OLB NR Roger Knight RFA 3 6-1/240 Wisconsin New Orleans New Orleans
OLB NR Ryan Nece UFA 3 6-3/224 UCLA Tampa Bay Tampa Bay
OLB NR Tim Johnson RFA 3 6-0/240 Youngstown State Oakland
OLB NR Tony Gilbert RFA 2 6-2/242 Georgia Jacksonville
OLB NR Troy Evans RFA 3 6-2/240 Cincinnati Houston Houston
OLB NR Erik Flowers UFA 5 6-4/275 Arizona State St. Louis
OLB NR Max Yates UFA 3 6-3/238 Marshall Minnesota
OLB NR Brian Williams UFA 10 6-1/243 USC Detroit
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http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=125&p=9...lnid=83&pid=27


check out his profile
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Prospect Profile

Levar Fisher
Position: Outside Linebacker
College: North Carolina State
Height: 6-1
Weight: 233
Hometown: Beaufort, N.C.

Career Notes | Agility | High School | Personal | Stats



ANALYSIS
Positives: Has the bone structure to carry an additional twenty pounds with no loss of quickness … Has very quick instincts to read and react … Moves through traffic with force, able to locate the ball in an instant … Makes great use of his strong upper body, able to deliver a crunching hand jolt when shedding … Uses his hands to sift through traffic, showing a sharp burst when accelerating off the edge … Has the balance and body control needed to avoid low blocks … Has good zone awareness, showing good depth on his drops … Sound tackler who lowers his shoulder properly before delivering the hit … Quickly fills the inside rush lanes, displaying balance as he moves down the line in pursuit … Has a crisp, controlled backpedal, opening his hips properly to turn on the ball … Takes good angles working in space … Has the flexibility to counter blocks when attempting to close on the quarterback … Plays low to the ground, playing with classic wrapup tackle technique.
Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up … Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective … Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer … Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed … Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes.

CAREER NOTES
Four-year starter who led the nation in tackles per game average the last two seasons … Regarded as the best athlete on the team, he boasts the highest strength and conditioning points total (bench press, squat, power clean, dips, pull-ups) on the 2001 Wolfpack squad … One of the most vocal characters you will ever find on the football field, Lavar has more than backed up his "chatter" over the years, totaling a school career-record 492 tackles (276 solos), topping the previous mark of 457 by Damien Covington (1991-94) … Registered 12 sacks for minus-90 yards, 33 stops for losses of 147 yards and 21 quarterback pressures … His 12 sacks are tied for ninth while his 33 stops behind the line of scrimmage are topped only by Tyler Lawrence (38, 1990-93) and Carl Reeves (45, 1991-94) on the school's all-time record list … Caused nine fumbles, recovered six others and had 15 pass deflections … Only Jesse Campbell (15, 1988-90) caused more fumbles in Wolfpack annals … His six fumble recoveries are surpassed only by Fernandus Vinson (7, 1987-90) on the team's career-record chart … Had at least 10 tackles in 27 of 45 games he has played in.


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2001 SEASON
All-America first-team selection by The NFL Draft Report … Semi-finalist for the Lombardi Award … Consensus All-Atlantic Coast Conference first-team choice … Started all year at weakside outside linebacker … Led the team with 148 tackles (84 solos), including 1½ sacks for minus-17 yards and three stops for losses of 18 yards … Credited with four quarterback pressures … Caused a fumble and recovered two others … Also deflected a pair of passes.

Preseason - Sat out spring drills after undergoing right shoulder surgery.

Indiana - Opened the season with 3 pressures and 13 tackles (9 solos).

Southern Methodist - Added 15 hits and deflected a pass.

North Carolina - Totaled a season-high 21 tackles (10 solos) with a pass break-up … Only Clayton White (23 vs. Ohio University, 1988) and Bill Cowher (24 vs. South Carolina, 1977 and 24 vs. Clemson, 1978) had more tackles in a game for the Wolfpack.

Wake Forest - Followed with 20 tackles (11 solos) … His two-game total of 41 tackles matched his school record set in 2000 (21 vs. Maryland, 20 vs. Florida State).

Clemson - Sacked QB Woodrow Dantzler for a 13-yard loss and posted 8 tackles.

Georgia - Credited with a 17-tackle (11 solos) performance.

Virginia - Caused a fumble and delivered 10 hits (6 solos).

Duke - Returned a fumble recovery 52 yards for a touchdown and registered 12 tackles (6 solos) with a stop behind the line of scrimmage.

Florida State - Collected 9 tackles (5 solos).

Maryland - Recovered a fumble and came up with 10 tackles (5 solos).

Ohio University - Added 13 tackles with a 4-yard sack.

Pittsburgh (Tangerine Bowl) - Made a solo tackle, but suffered a left forearm fracture (radius) early in the first quarter.

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2000 SEASON
All-American first-team selection by the Football Writers Association, adding second-team honors from the Sports Xchange and Walter Camp … All-Atlantic Coast Conference first-team and Defensive Player of the Year … Finalist for the Bronko Nagurski Award (given to the top defensive player in the country) … Semi-finalist for the Lombardi Award … Led the nation with an average of 15.1 tackles per game … Started all year at weakside outside linebacker, recording a career-high 166 tackles (90 solos) with five sacks for minus-22 yards and 15 stops for losses of 46 yards … His 166 tackles rank sixth on the school's season-record list and were the most since Dave Merritt totaled 167 in 1992 … Ranked second in the ACC with five forced fumbles … Only Jesse Campbell (6 in both 1998 and 1989) had more forced fumbles in a season for the Wolfpack … Recovered two fumbles and had five quarterback pressures … Also deflected eight passes and intercepted another.


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1999 SEASON
First-team All-ACC Academic performer as he posted a 3.08 GPA for the fall semester … Named the squad's Most Valuable Defensive Lineman … Finished third on the team with 104 tackles (63 solos) while starting every game at strongside outside linebacker … Had 3½ sacks for minus 34 yards and 12 stops for losses of 62 yards … Credited with eight quarter- back pressures … Recovered a fumble and deflected a pass … The gunner on the punt coverage unit, he led the special teams with 12 tackles (10 solos) and a fumble recovery.


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1998 SEASON
Played in every game, starting the final eight contests at the strongside outside linebacker position as a true freshman … Recorded 74 tackles (39 solos) with two sacks for minus 17 yards and three stops for losses of 21 yards … Caused three fumbles and deflected four passes … Also had four quarterback pressures.


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AGILITY TESTS
4.67 in the 40-yard dash … 2.71 in the 20-yard dash … 1.66 in the 10-yard dash … 7.3 in the three cone drill … 31-inch vertical jump … 9'2" broad jump … 455-pound bench press … 505-pound squat … 330-pound power clean … 30 3/8-inch arm length … 9-inch hands … Right-handed … Posted the highest strength and conditioning points total (bench press, squat, power clean, dips, pull-ups) on the 2001 Wolfpack squad … Tied for the top mark in the incline (380 pounds) among all players weighing over 225 pounds … Can do 71 dips and 42 chinups, the high marks for any Wolfpack player.
HIGH SCHOOL
Rated the state's No. 16 prospect by SuperPrep at East Carteret (Beaufort, N.C.) High … One of the top 25 players in the state of North Carolina by The Charlotte Observer … A three-year varsity starter, he finished his senior season with 1,043 rushing yards and 147 tackles, including 34 behind the line of scrimmage … Also made seven sacks and three interceptions … Ran for 201 yards on 18 carries (an average of over 11 yards) and four touchdowns against Pamlico, three of those TDs came in the fourth quarter … Against Wallace-Rose Hill, he made an astounding 23 tackles … As a junior, he rushed for over 1200 yards and scored 10 touchdowns to help East Carteret finish 7-4 … Also made over 90 tackles and intercepted four passes.
PERSONAL
Mass Communications major … Born on Nov. 29, 1979 … Resides in Beaufort, N.C.
STATS
DEFENSIVE STATS
YEAR GP GS TK SO AS FR FC INT TFL PBU SACK PRES
1998 11 08 74 39 35 0 3 0 3-21 4 2.0-17 4
1999 12 12 104 63 41 1 0 0 12-62 1 3.5-34 8
2000 11 11 166 90 76 3 5 1 15-46 8 5.0-22 5
2001 11 11 148 84 64 2 1 0 3-18 2 1.5-17 4
TOTAL 45 42 492 276 216 6 9 1 33-147 15 12.0-90 21


INTERCEPTION RETURNS ADVANCED FUMBLES
YEAR NO YARDS AVG TD LONG NO YARDS AVG TD LONG
2000 1 3 3.0 0 3
2001 1 52 52.0 1 52


SPECIAL TEAM TACKLES
YEAR TK SO AS FR FC
1998 2 1 1 0 0
1999 12 10 2 1 0
2000 9 6 3 0 0
2001 6 3 3 1 0
TOTAL 29 20 9 2 0


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what do u guys think??????

TheDeuce 06-07-2005 03:19 PM

RE: Levar Fisher
 
I think he has a lot of talent and if he could stay healthy I think that he could make a sizeable contribution to our franchise. However, I'm not sure about him being better than Peter Boulware, something tells me that even with a better supporting cast, Boulware is the better player. But I like Fisher's value and hopefully he can prove something to the coaches and to his team.

Danno 06-07-2005 04:27 PM

So you guys are gonna get excited about a reject from one of the only teams more pathetic than the Saints?
Pffft. Maybe the Hornets can start signing some of the Clipper's rejects too.
Sorry, but I'm just a realist, dude!

papz 06-07-2005 04:33 PM

The only thing similiar between Boulware and Fisher is that they are both African American and play linebacker. It ends there. The guy hasn't stepped on the field in a couple of seasons and he's getting all this hype. Ah I remember when people were comparing Cie Grant and Ray Lewis. Sigh.

saintswhodi 06-07-2005 04:37 PM

Right on papz. Kinda like Chase Lyman and, oh, who was it I compared him to? Mr. Glass, yeah that's it. :wink:

papz 06-07-2005 04:58 PM

Who is this Mr. Glass that you speak of? :P

Danno 06-07-2005 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by papz
The only thing similiar between Boulware and Fisher is that they are both African American and play linebacker. It ends there. The guy hasn't stepped on the field in a couple of seasons and he's getting all this hype. Ah I remember when people were comparing Cie Grant and Ray Lewis. Sigh.

You said it man. All I hear everywhere is Levar Fisher hype. You'd think we sign Edgar Hartwell or something.
You can't sling a dead cat in this town without everyone hyping Fisher. Totally clueless boobs I tell ya. Lets keep it real shall we?

Place your orders now. I got so much realism, I'm practically givin' it away.

AllSaints 06-07-2005 08:58 PM

Maybe he can help use... lord noes we need it.

jnormand 06-07-2005 09:54 PM

It would be nice if Fisher could make a contribution on the field this year, but I don't see it happening. We got him from the Cards, why would they let him go if he was a decent LB? He has put up some good numbers in the past, but I'll take the wait and see approach before I give the guy my vote.

Danno 06-08-2005 06:59 AM

I posted a ton on this guy earlier. Originally a WLB, he's put on weight, is still fast as hell, and should be fully recovered. I think Zona replaced him with Dansby, if I'm not mistaken.

The whole story on him was that Green thought he should have been ready to play last year after an ACL in 2003. Fisher didn't feel he was ready. He got into Denny Green's doghouse and never got out.

I feel with the extra year off he should be fully recovered. When healthy he was a good LB. I think he can play SLB (he sheds blockers well and plays in traffic well) or WLB (speed and power).

If he's back to 100% (nearly 2 years removed from his ACL) he could be a real player. If he's still recovering he'll be useless.

Danno 06-08-2005 07:11 AM

Here's what I posted last month.
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I know Levar has played WLB mostly, but I've read he plays well in traffic, and takes on blockers well. He's also added weight since he was drafted. He may be similar to James Allen in that he started at WLB and moved over to SLB as his physical play improved.

I think he has the skill set to play the SLB. He certainly couldn't be any worse than Hodge.

Here's why I think he could play the SLB. Remember, this scouting report was done when he was a rookie, and he has added 15 to 20 lbs since this scouting report.
Positives:
Has very quick instincts to read and react
Moves through traffic with force
Able to locate the ball in an instant
Makes great use of his strong upper body,
Uses his hands to sift through traffic
Has the balance and body control needed to avoid low blocks
Has good zone awareness, showing good depth on his drops
Sound tackler who lowers his shoulder properly before delivering the hit
Displays balance as he moves down the line in pursuit
Has a crisp, controlled backpedal, opening his hips properly to turn on the ball
Has the flexibility to counter blocks when attempting to close
Plays low to the ground, playing with classic wrapup tackle technique.


If you ask me Levar Fisher has SLB written all over him, now that he's added the bulk. His main knocks were all about his size, but he's already added 20 lbs so thats no longer an issue. I think he can push Allen for a starting job and push Hodge out the door.

saintswhodi 06-08-2005 08:56 AM

Okay, why not:

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Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up … Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective … Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer … Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed … Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes.
Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there.

Danno 06-08-2005 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Okay, why not:

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Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up … Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective … Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer … Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed … Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes.
Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there.

Well, like I said, that scouting report was done when he was a Senior in college and weighed about 225. he's now up over 240 lbs. He needed strength and bulk, and he's got it now.

Are people gonna bring up Colby's size weaknesses as a 219 pound LB when he now weighs a muscular 246? Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?

saintswhodi 06-08-2005 11:18 AM

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Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?
Seems like I already said I wanted Colby to try at SLB, but since this seems just to argue.......

Colby doesn't have an injury history. Colby appeared to be a stud when on the field last year. Colby has bulked up as well. How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something.

Danno 06-08-2005 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?
How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something.

I never said his negatives couldn't be trusted. Where'd you read that?

I think either you misunderstood me, or I didn't explain myself well enough. I'll try again.

I listed his attributes I feel would qualify him as a good SLB prospect. His negatives (at the time of that scouting report) were basically size/strength related. So if he has addressed the size/strength issues (as Colby apparently has) then I feel he is quite capable of sliding over to SLB. I never said he'd be better than or worse than Colby.

I guess the SLB attributes I listed could also be affected by his increased size/strength, but thats unlikely in my opinion. My main worry with Fisher is if he's recovered from his ACL.

saintswhodi 06-08-2005 12:05 PM

Adding size and strength are a good thing for Fisher, hell any of our LBs, but will the added size work well with his gimpy knee? I am glad he has bulked up cause it shows a commitment to improve. Personally, I would prefer they just try Colby at SLB. It may not work, but if it does, we know colby is a beast. He is fast, and does not have injury issues, at least not yet. It would be nice if fisher could play SLB, but if he is doing well, and 3 games in he is hurt, leaves us in a lurch at SLB again. But if we have Colby there and getting the reps, Fisher can spot him for rest situations, and we can see how he would hold up. They both would get time at SLB, with Colby getting the lion's share. I guess I am just not sold on this Fisher cat to trust him like that. I hope he, and well as many other players, simply prove me wrong and play balls out. But I know for a fact if Colby is on the field, he will play balls out. I don't have to hope for that.

WhoDat 06-08-2005 01:39 PM

So what's the outlook now depth chart wise?

WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team.
MLB: W of Fincher/Watson
SLB: Allen, Hodge, ???

Danno 06-08-2005 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat
So what's the outlook now depth chart wise?

WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team.
MLB: W of Fincher/Watson
SLB: Allen, Hodge, ???

LOL, I've posted the same thing before. Seems like we have 2SLB, 2MLB, and 11 WLB's. Thats why I thought Fisher could slide over to SLB like Allen did.

I've also read that the Cabel Rohlof kid might be able to play SLB also. Never heard of him other than we claimed him off the PS from the Ravens. I think the rookie Rabe is also a SLB prospect but if you wanna look at somewhat proven players at SLB we don't have a leg to stand on.

James Allen, 6 good games can't erase the 10 horrible ones he had before that. Does he finally get it? Dunno
Sedrick Hodge, good back-up, but not much else.
Rohlof-Not a clue about this guy
Rabe-Don't know. His scouting report looks good. Several teams contacted him after the draft. Of course if I had to choose a team I thought I could make, it would be New Orleans.
Fisher-Has the tools, but has he fully recovered from the ACL, and can he make the switch to SLB?

jnormand 06-09-2005 04:45 AM

Is it possible for Fincher to slide to SLB? I know he plays MIKE, but if Colby and Watson take the WLB and MLB, could he play some SLB? I guess I would really like to see Colby and Watson start this year and play really well. Nothing against Allen, but I am not sold on the guy yet. He did have a few good games, but it seems he should have played better.

I think Buckwoldt, Watson and Allen are going to end up our starters. Hey, they played well late last season, maybe they are the answer. I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB?

Too many questions at LB!

tiggerpolice 06-10-2005 04:58 PM

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I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB?

if he does beat out watson at MLB....watson gonna start at WLB..he is gonna start no matter what....it just depends how well fincher plays...thats gonna determen where.....


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