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AllSaints 06-08-2005 10:31 PM

Mcpherson start this year ?
 
unless brooks goes down i dont see it happening

AllSaints 06-08-2005 10:34 PM

RE: Mcpherson start this year ?
 
ooopps i presses yes on accident but i mean no

Danno 06-09-2005 07:05 AM

RE: Mcpherson start this year ?
 
I voted no. If Brooks gets hurt then maybe he will. But he won't take it from Brooks this year without injury. The more I read about the AFL and the adjustments to the NFL I think the kid needs at least 2 training camps to start. I think if he did have to play he'd do OK, but would make some really bad decisions.
I love his potential, but he's got so much to learn.

4saintspirit 06-09-2005 07:41 AM

I voted no -- only because I think Brooks is going to have a much better year -- maybe not a top 5 QB but certainly adequate enough not to have an unproven rookie step in. Injuries of course could change that.

WhoDat 06-09-2005 08:37 AM

You know, the last time the Saints went to the playoffs it was on the arm and legs of a young athletic street baller. Just a thought.

saintswhodi 06-09-2005 08:50 AM

So maybe Brooks will pull a Blake and get the hell out the way? One can only hope. :D

papz 06-09-2005 08:54 AM

This will be his clipboard year and I wouldn't have it any other way... besides it's Bouman that's second on the depth chart.

Euphoria 06-09-2005 09:34 AM

I smell hype... this guy isn't ready to put on a jock yet.

4saintspirit 06-09-2005 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria
I smell hype... this guy isn't ready to put on a jock yet.

I don't think he will start -- and I agree with the hype (but some people live up to the hype) -- but he has the right and talent to be in uniform and I would not be surprised if he overtook Bouman as the second QB

BrooksMustGo 06-09-2005 10:02 AM

Haslett loves Brooks blindly. He'll start if he's in a wheelchair taking snaps.

mayoj 06-09-2005 10:49 AM

Points:
1) Brooks will be a top ten qb and only not start if injured

2) A-Mac will get the #2 spot to start the season. He has the potential and probably will be good down the road. We will only answer the hype/no-hype debate if Brooks is injured. Only hype out there is that he is good enough to take Brooks' job this year.

3)Bouman Blows

4) I think Haslett does like Brooks, but I think his decision to play him while injured had more to do with stubornness and his never quit personality. I think that is one area he has matured in over the years by retaining the never quit attitude while knowing when to act correctly in certain situations. Everyone knocks our coaches, but I like Haslett. He's learning and has the mentality a coach needs for our team. Not so sure about those underneath him though.

papz 06-09-2005 10:55 AM

Bouman can blow all he wants but he has the experience and better knowledge of the game. I wouldn't put my rookie 5th round draft pick as my 2nd stringer. I don't think even Aaron Rodgers will be Favre's primary backup.

Ride the pine and pay his dues. We shouldn't expect much if anything at all this year from Adrian. If he's lucky, he might get to kneel out the clock on the final play of a game this year.

Euphoria 06-09-2005 11:07 AM

Hey sure I think A-mac is going to be good... may even end up replacing Brooks one day but to say he is going to be our savior this year is simply NUTS

AllSaints 06-09-2005 11:26 AM

If brooks screws up on the road our at home i think he might put A-Mac in i really think it depends on our record.

Heretic42 06-09-2005 12:13 PM

A-Mac might see some playing time in the preseason.....other than that, I highly doubt we'll see him on the field this year.

4saintspirit 06-09-2005 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz
Bouman can blow all he wants but he has the experience and better knowledge of the game. I wouldn't put my rookie 5th round draft pick as my 2nd stringer. I don't think even Aaron Rodgers will be Favre's primary backup.

Ride the pine and pay his dues. We shouldn't expect much if anything at all this year from Adrian. If he's lucky, he might get to kneel out the clock on the final play of a game this year.

I think calling him a rookie 5th rounder is misleading -- most believe his personal screwups were the reason he dropped so low. I know that you are going out of your way to slam A Mac because you do not want anyone with any potential behind AB but I'll tell you this -- 5th round rookie or not - if he is better than Bouman (and I think he is) then I want him as my second round QB. If he is better than Brooks (and he may be in a few years) than I want my 5th rounder as the QB. (By the way -- what round was Brady drafted in -- AB for that matter)

lynwood 06-09-2005 12:46 PM

I'll have to wait and see him in preseason before i vote.

WHODATNJ 06-09-2005 12:53 PM

Lets not forget what happened in St Louis. Kurt Warner started his first year out of the Arena league. I do think this kid should mature a little. He is probably one of the most athletic QBs to be drafted. My feeling is that we have another Delhomme situation on our hands. Well keep him for a few and trade him to a team that will have a Super Bowl Season.

Halo 06-09-2005 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo
Haslett loves Brooks blindly. He'll start if he's in a wheelchair taking snaps.

BrooksMustGo,

:?: What are you going to change your username to if or when Brooks finally goes?

papz 06-09-2005 01:38 PM

I'm not trying to dog him being drafted in the 5th round because I wanted us to drafted him much earlier. I'm just saying barring some freak accident to Brooks and Bouman combined with an absolutely horrid record, I honestly don't think he'll see the field besides preseason. Trust me... I LOVE A-Mac's "potential"... but he still is raw and needs to learn the our version of the West Coast offense, a system in which normally takes quite some time to pick up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4saintspirit
If he is better than Brooks (and he may be in a few years) than I want my 5th rounder as the QB. (By the way -- what round was Brady drafted in -- AB for that matter)

Exactly... in a few years once he has a grasp of everything. We aren't a rebuilding franchise like the 49ers or the Texans... we don't need to throw him into the line of fire right away. That's what Brooks and Bouman are for. A-Mac is our future... not present.

If you knew me 4saintspirit or generally read my posts, you would know I could careless where anyone was drafted. I'm all for underdogs and I LOVE to see young players develop. A-Mac will be great for us down the line and I'm a supporter.

saintswhodi 06-09-2005 01:42 PM

Quote:

If you knew me 4saintspirit or generally read my posts, you would know I could careless where anyone was drafted. I'm all for underdogs and I LOVE to see young players develop.
Believe him 4saints. The site is still stinking from that poo he was slinging about Chase Lyman. :wink:

papz 06-09-2005 01:45 PM

:roll: What a douche bag.

WhoDat 06-09-2005 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz
I wouldn't put my rookie 5th round draft pick as my 2nd stringer. I don't think even Aaron Rodgers will be Favre's primary backup.

Here are the names of a few guys that wouldn't currently be starting in the NFL if teams actually used this kind of logic:

Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Marc Bulger
AARON BROOKS
Kurt Warner never would have started for the Rams


I don't think A-Mac can beat Brooks out for the starting spot. I would be absolutely shocked if that happened. However, by mid-to-late season, I think A-Mac could start and play just as well now as AB did in 2000.

papz 06-09-2005 03:46 PM

Too bad it won't happen :P ... unless we go into rebuild mode. But hey... things happen. If he gets on the field this year and performs well, I'll be elated. If he doesn't, I wouldn't be the least surprised.

mayoj 06-09-2005 03:47 PM

How many of those guys you named have records of playing less than a year of college and one year of arena football?

Plus, besides AB, the rest of the guys you named work off of mechanics, precision and intelligence. A-Mac is not that type of quarterback. Even Vick didn't have a great first year. I just don't think athletic quarterbacks come in and are immediatley able to start. Brooks did it, true, but that might have something to do with his inconsistency now, lack of development.

just a thought

WhoDat 06-09-2005 03:51 PM

1. A-Mac is the most talented guy on the team at QB right now. Not best player (at present), but most talented.

2. A-Mac will probably be the second best QB on the team by August. Did you watch Bouman play last offseason? It was like someone combined John Fourcade's attitude with Danny Worthless' ability. The dude sucks. I could start over him.

3. At some point, AB will get hurt and this guy will play. Maybe not in 2005, but be prepared.

AllSaints 06-09-2005 04:00 PM

A-Mac maybe another success story. Or he could be a ryan leaf story. I would love to see Mcpherson on the field. But probly wont happen. Hopefully Nawlins will keep this guy and not trade him like Jake. A-Mac is the future.

Here is another question. Will A- Mac be starting next season?

AllSaints 06-09-2005 04:01 PM

A-Mac maybe another success story. Or he could be a ryan leaf story. I would love to see Mcpherson on the field. But probly wont happen. Hopefully Nawlins will keep this guy and not trade him like Jake. A-Mac is the future.

Here is another question. Will A- Mac be starting next season?

AllSaints 06-09-2005 04:01 PM

A-Mac maybe another success story. Or he could be a ryan leaf story. I would love to see Mcpherson on the field. But probly wont happen. Hopefully Nawlins will keep this guy and not trade him like Jake. A-Mac is the future.

Here is another question. Will A- Mac be starting next season?

saintswhodi 06-09-2005 04:05 PM

Quote:

Or he could be a ryan leaf story.
He can't be a Ryan Leaf story as he was selected in the FIFTH ROUND and not second overall in the FIRST ROUND. He can bust right out of here and not be on that level. Our Ryan Leaf is Jonathan Suckivan.

AllSaints 06-09-2005 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Quote:

Or he could be a ryan leaf story.
Our Ryan Leaf is Jonathan Suckivan.

True Every 1 did expect sully to do much much better than he did.

Euphoria 06-10-2005 10:19 AM

People use the word 'potential' thinking the meaning of that word is - vet, proven vet or Super Bowl Winner. Be skeptical of the word potential... it could come back to bite ya. While the word sure could end up being any of the above but also could end up being a Ryan Leaf. Potential is maybe the wrong word to use, maybe RAW TALENT. He is a gifted athlete, needs to be more polished, needs to learn the pro game, needs to learn the speed, needs to learn new routes, needs to know WR tendencies, needs to learn defenses, needs to stay out of trouble, needs to learn play book, needs to learn how to pass... there is so much this KID needs to learn and to hype him up now is setting people up for failure, its already happeneing to Stallworth.

AllSaints 06-10-2005 10:55 AM

If we got Rod Gardener i think Stallworth would be 3rd WR but htey say they only want a #3 wr

stockman311 06-10-2005 01:27 PM

The only reason AMac was a 5th rounder was because of off the field issues. If Alex Smith can start for the lowly 49er's this year then AMac can start for the Saints. I can bet that we would all agree he is the better athlete and has had a year of Arena ball to get ready for the job. This is not Drew Henson coming from baseball not having played in 3 years. This kid is a baller and I fully expect for him to bump Bouman to #3 and get Klingsbury knocked to Europe.

WhoDat 06-10-2005 02:35 PM

Good point. If A-Mac was in Frisco, anyone think he wouldn't be the week 1 starter? Frankly, I think A-Mac might have the most POTENTIAL (Euph) of any QB in this year's draft. Do you guys feel that there were really QBs who were that much more talented that Adrian in the draft this year?

As every scout said, the guy would probably have been a first rounder had he stayed in school and not had the problems. I don't doubt that those problems could continue to hound this kid... but assume for a second that they're behind him - is there any reason he cannot develop quickly and play very well at this level?

ScottyRo 06-10-2005 02:45 PM

I don't think there's a reason that he can't develop quickly enough to start, I just think it's unlikely - even if he were in SanFran. The 49ers have a couple of guys who have starting experience, but they're young and the team isn't likely to be very good. That would mean McPherson would have a chance during the year, but not by week 1.

For the Saints, I'd expect that things would have to go very wrong for him to start at some point.

I wouldn't mind if he proves me wrong though!

WhoDat 06-10-2005 02:48 PM

I agree Scotty. I don't think that the guy is a savior or will be a starter this year. But I also think the attitude that the guy is essentially a talentless arena league hack is way off base.

saintswhodi 06-10-2005 02:56 PM

Quote:

But I also think the attitude that the guy is essentially a talentless arena league hack is way off base.
You mean he's not? I am getting rid of this avatar. Anybody got an Andy Kelley? :wink:

Tobias-Reiper 06-10-2005 04:30 PM

... I know it is not going to happen, but I would like to see Adrian play in the rpeseason with the first team for a couples series...

... anyway, this is the year that Brooks puts it all together...

Euphoria 06-10-2005 05:27 PM

not every scout... I love people try any way the can to add to hype. Some had him going in 2-3 rounds. That still doesn't mean he can't start. People need to look at this realistically than saying he is the savior going to start and this and that... when in reality he's a rookie QB at best. I very much like this guy and think in a year or two or hope he will end up being the Starter but in the mean time chill. This is the time of year when the clouds come rolling in and start raining hype. Wait to see the 16-0 hype


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