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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I have to get in on this... fair market value to me is phoney. Its more of what you will give up to get this, is what it boils down to (but looking at the bigger picture of contracts ect). ...

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Old 06-28-2005, 01:18 PM   #21
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I have to get in on this... fair market value to me is phoney. Its more of what you will give up to get this, is what it boils down to (but looking at the bigger picture of contracts ect). I say we have to make a run this year with what we have at this point and let the chips fall where they may next. There are to many issues that will have to be addressed this coming off season, that we may very well be looking at a completely new Saints team next year. Between now and the next off season there will be no contract deals/extensions we are fine now with the cap. Those who don't live up to the money this year will surely be gone. There will be money to keep Duece and I feel Deuce isn't expected to break the back he knows the importance of good blocking from last year and he is from just up the road.

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Old 06-28-2005, 03:06 PM   #22
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The market was set, and you still poo-pooed any trade talk cause it wasn't YOUR market value for Howard.
Wrong. I didn't set it, the SAINTS set it. And furthermore, if Howard is so worthless, how in god's name were we ever going to get these proven players that you want in return for howard? Why don't we just wait until July and cut him, huh? I mean, he is basically of no value to the team. He's injury prone and overpaid. Let's just cut him in three weeks so we can sign Deuce and Bentley and McKenzie now.
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Old 06-28-2005, 03:47 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint
AB has the biggest role in us making the playoffs. If he plays well, we are in, and whatever Howard does isn't gonna influence that more than what anyone else on the defense does, sorry to say.
This is the scariest thing of all, because it is true.

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Old 06-28-2005, 04:17 PM   #25
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Wrong. I didn't set it, the SAINTS set it. And furthermore, if Howard is so worthless, how in god's name were we ever going to get these proven players that you want in return for howard? Why don't we just wait until July and cut him, huh? I mean, he is basically of no value to the team. He's injury prone and overpaid. Let's just cut him in three weeks so we can sign Deuce and Bentley and McKenzie now.
Polarizing. Last dance of the defeated. I guess I don't need to add anything else. 8)
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:42 PM   #26
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AB has the biggest role in us making the playoffs. If he plays well, we are in, and whatever Howard does isn't gonna influence that more than what anyone else on the defense does, sorry to say.
This is the scariest thing of all, because it is true.

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Actually the D has the biggest role. If we still have the worst D, we can forget about it. Playoffs?! Playoffs?!
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:58 PM   #27
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Defence more impact than offense? - definitely. But I think he was talking about which player has the most impact, as opposed to a set of players. And I have to agree, that'd definitely be QB in my book.

And I'd also have to agree that it's scary, because he's so damn unpredictable. A probowler making beautiful passes one minute, a complete boneheaded embarrassment the next.

C'mon A-Mac! I'm hoping he can replace Charles Grant as my favorite.
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Polarizing. Last dance of the defeated. I guess I don't need to add anything else. 8)
Defeated? Sure, considering you're arguing a fictitious position. All I did was make a crack about you eating crow in December after Howard had a great season. My point - I think Howard is going to have a good season. That's a pretty hard position to argue considering it's my OPINION and merely a PREDICTION.

I believe you ASSUMED (incorrectly I might add) that I was suggesting that the Saints would not make the playoffs b/c I said December and not January. Based on that faulty assumption you inferred that I would therefore prefer to have Pro Bowlers on a bad team, rather than go to the playoffs with a bunch of Average Joes, another incorrect assumption. Finally, you've argued my OPINION, once again, that I think keeping Howard based on the available options in the market was not the best solution, but wasn't a bad one either, and now claimed victory by comparing Howard to a couple of RBs and suggesting that he will not be healthy this season b/c he hasn't been in the past. Oh well, I guess Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, and Deuce McAllister are all screwed too.

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Defeated? Sure, considering you're arguing a fictitious position. All I did was make a crack about you eating crow in December after Howard had a great season. My point - I think Howard is going to have a good season. That's a pretty hard position to argue considering it's my OPINION and merely a PREDICTION.
Wait, so you are getting on me cause I argued your OPINION? What do they call that? Um, err, a FORUM. Congrats Who, you should patent that. A place where you can go to argue someone's opinion. BRILLIANT.

I believe you ASSUMED (incorrectly I might add) that I was suggesting that the Saints would not make the playoffs b/c I said December and not January.

Next time, choose your words better. Why would anyone regret anything in December, when the season isn't even over then? Then you throw out some lame idea about that being when pro bowl balloting ends and blah blah blah. Please.

Finally, you've argued my OPINION, once again, that I think keeping Howard based on the available options in the market was not the best solution, but wasn't a bad one either, and now claimed victory by comparing Howard to a couple of RBs and suggesting that he will not be healthy this season b/c he hasn't been in the past. Oh well, I guess Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, and Deuce McAllister are all screwed too.
Wait again, this coming from the guy who practically threw himself a victory parade when Joe Horn BACKTRACKED on hold-out talks and wanting Marvin Harrison money claiming he knew it all along, because when Joe WAS making those demands, some said we should trade him? Priceless. Truly priceless. Donte was hurt his first two years, and healthy last year, the opposite of Howard actually. Joe plays through his injuries. And Deuce came back early from his. When Howard is hurt, he doesn't play. But I am sure we will get a lot of production from a rotational guy making 7 mil this season who will prob have to play out of position at DT in passing situations again which he himself said he hated. Buy you got this one down Who. You showed me.

Have you been hanging out with Billy? Claiming victory of a phantom argument which you fabricated. Congratulations. You must be so proud.
I must have fabricated your five responses too. And who is this fictional Billy you keep referring to? close friend? That guy isn't even here any more and you can't keep him off your mind. You sure it's him in Brooks' bushes and not you in his?
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