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One thing to keep a close eye on is that the Patriots are getting close, I mean really close to a deal with SS Lee Flowers. Adding Flowers would allow the Pats to talk to the Saints about a possible trade involving Tebucky "My Lucky" Jones. Since Jones is franchised it would require one of the Saints first round choices and would give the Patriots three mid first round selections. Jones is still young, would add a tremendous amount of speed to the secondary (played CB at Syracuse), but at what price? Seems like we won't get a chance to entice Rodney Harrison to visit with Denver and Oakland wining and dining the ex-Charger. What do y'all think about trading for Jones?

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May be we should trade both our picks away. One for Woodson and One for Tebucky Jones. They are both young and both very talented with experience. It means we can count on them to give performances in the NFL cause they already proven themselves. Many may argue 1st round draft choices may bring better players, come on seriously do u think anywhere in the draft there is one cornerback or safety that can match these guys skills. Even they are rated now, how do we know that they won\'t go bust when they hit NFL. So my sole opinion would be to trade both picks for Charles Woodson and Tebucky jones respectively. ;)

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i meant thumbs up for the last post

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ok, here is my 2 cents in this issue.
i think yall are all crazy, here is our situation, we have Kyle Turley, who plays at one of the most important positions on the offensive lines, and who we are shopping for a first round pick, we arent being shy about it and that is the asking price....but....

you guys actually think that trading a first round pick for a safety is a smart idea?, when we can barely get a first round pick for one of the most important position players?

i can only see trading 1st round picks for some positions, and safety isnt one of them, especially for one who hasnt proven himself to me, i just dont think he is everything that you guys are making him out to be, yes, he is good, i just dont think he is worth trading a first round pick for, we gave up a future hall of famer in Willie Roaf last year for a conditional 5th round pick (3rd rnd now), and you are telling me that Jones is worth a first round pick? please, stop the madness. the only reason Jones was franchised, was b/c the pats know that the franchise level for a safety is only 3 million dollars, which isnt a bad price to pay for a quality safety considering that there are some excellent safetys out there who only make around 3 million a year

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5:24 PT: The Denver Post reports the New England Patriots reportedly will now remove the franchise tag from free agent S Tebucky Jones, now that they have added S Rodney Harrison. Jones will become an unrestricted free agent.

Why give up a draft pick when you can just sign him outright :D

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Pak - I agree completely. A first rounders is too much to give up ON TOP of the salary we\'d have to pay Jones. However, thanks to Black and Blue\'s post it looks like it\'s a mute point. If they do remove the franchise tag, let\'s go get him!

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Well, I couldn\'t find any info in ESPN\'s website to confirm my previous post. I will keep searching.

EDIT: It is confirmed

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen...ageId=10360649

FOXBORO, Mass. (AP) _ The New England Patriots signed Pro Bowl safety Rodney Harrison, their second significant move to bolster their defense in less than 24 hours.

Patriots spokesman Anthony Moretti said Harrison agreed to terms with New England uesday night. Terms were not disclosed. The Patriots also signed linebacker Rosevelt Colvin on Tuesday.

Harrison, 30, was plagued by a groin injury last season. He started 13 games, recording two interceptions, two sacks and 88 tackles, including 12 in the final game of the year against Seattle, tying a season high.

Harrison\'s signing gives the Patriots some flexibility in their secondary. Starting safety Tebucky Jones, whom the team has labeled its franchise player, is unsigned, as is safety Victor Green.

Harrison was named to the Pro Bowl in 1998 and 2001. His best year statistically was in 2000, when he had six interceptions, six sacks and 127 tackles.



[Edited on 12/3/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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So is it confirmed that Jones is no longer franchise tagged? Or just that Harrison signed?

I was sad to see Roosevelt go to the Patties. I would have like to see him in black and gold.

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Although I am happy that Tebucky Jones may become available if they drop the tag, I wasn\'t a big proponent of getting Roosevelt Colvin. Although adding a double digit sacker is desirable, I believe that the use of Charlie Clemons last year was simply taking him out of his strength element and putting him in position to fail. I wouldn\'t of thought Colvin would produce any different result than Clemons if both are used the same way.

As for Jones, I think the Pats will wait to remove the tag until after the draft and all available safeties are gone, hoping that someone who gets desperate when they can\'t land a safety gets jumpy. There are alot of GM\'s out there that make spontaneous decisions when their plans get foiled on draft day.

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Patriots are not going to keep two safeties on the roster for $3 million each, and the rest of the league knows this. If they try and play this game, they will get nowhere.
Colvin was the one FA I wanted to see in Black and Gold. Not sure where the Clemons comparison comes in as a factor, as Colvin plays OLB. Are you talking about him adjusting to the defensive scheme? I\'m confused and just want to clear up what you posted.

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Black and Blue - I think he meant that Colvin posted double digit sacks just like Clemons did at OLB two years ago, and that Colvin wouldn\'t be any better than Clemons was at MLB (I\'m assuming Lumm0x thought that Colvin would be moved to middle linebacker). I agree, although I think Colvin probably could have been an OLB for us. That\'s the problem with the guy though. The Saints like Allen and Hodge at OLB. I can\'t say I blame them. They\'re both young and seem to have potential and speed. If used right we could end up with two pretty good OLBs that were basically unknowns. Of course, the opposite is true too. They could end up being terrible.


GATOR - I like it!! But if they remove the franchise tag, why would we have to give up a pick? Couldn\'t we just sign him? I\'m confused with this situation.

He\'s franchise tagged right now, but why wouldn\'t we wait until they remove the tag?

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Ahhh, ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking that if they did sign Colvin, they would have him play opposite Hodge (as I like his potential) and bench Allen (who I\'m not high on), and have Ruff in the middle. But yeah, moving Colvin to MLB would be a disaster, as it doesn\'t play to his strengths.

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This is the way the Pats are playing this. The Frachise tag can be removed if a team wishes to negotiate with Jones just like bufalo did with Price and Atlanta. The patriots will not keep Jones on the roster after July 15, when they will need the money to sign their picks, but they will keep him on till then. If a team wishes to wait until the middle of July when 90% of the teams have no money left they can make a move for him. But you will need to keep the money open past your picks and june free agency period. If you want to get him before then it will have to be a trade. The pats have no reason to remove the tag unless for the purpose such as Buffalo and the Falcons.

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turley for jones
turley for jones
turley for joens

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I don\'t see how anyone would make a bid for someone that you know aren\'t going to be there. Look at Turley, one of the things that are hurting our prospects (besides his mouth) is that he is one year out from the end of his contract.
If any team is dumb enough, let them have him, but I don\'t see it happening. The only thing keeping the franchise tag on Tebucky does is hurt Tebucky.

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Well hell, with Hand still on the roster you never know. We might have an extra $5.5 mill laying around come July. I\'d give up a 3rd rounder for Jones to shore him up now. Not much more than that. I doubt anyone else will either.

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My big problem is that you are giving a guaranteed player (by using a draft pick) to trade for a player who is not going to be under contract and who may not want to play for your team.

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Sure he will. After we pick up Woodson and McGolckton and draft EJ Henderson he\'ll beg to play on our D.

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Any deal would have to be a sign-and-trade deal. But that\'s hardly the problem. A trade would be a good idea, prefarably Turley for Jones. Will Turley sign a deal to play in a cold-weather town? I doubt it. So that\'s gonna be problematic. Dealing a first round pick for Tebucky to the Patriots? He\'s worth it because that\'s the area of need for the Saints. And he\'s only just worth it, you may as well not trade. I don\'t think Loomis will give up one of the two first rounders, he just LOVES the draft.
As much as I would like to see Tebucky in Louisiana I doubt they\'ll get a deal done. Any other ideas for a trade, not involving Turley or a high pick (ahm, and not Hand, I don\'t think they want him)?

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Black and Blue, most of the guys summed up my thoughts. I was referring to how Clemons performed as OLB with sack totals comparing to Colvin\'s. I would never concieve to move Colvin to MLB just like Clemons didn\'t pan out there. I was thinking would Colvin be any better than Clemons was at OLB? It\'s tough to be better than 13.5 sacks at that position in a 4-3. While Colvin is a definite upgrade over James Allen at OLB so would moving Clemons back there and retaining a guy that has a couple years knowledge of our defense and eating the crow and admitting his poor play was due to playing out of position.
As for Tebucky I agree that I think they\'re trying to mimic the Bills play with Peerless Price.

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The difference is, he hasn\'t put up a Peerless Price season. He hasn\'t been able to maintain a starting position regardless of his \"marvelous physical skills.\" Let\'s just hope he loses the franchise tag because he isn\'t a franchise player. On the flip side, when Mel Kiper was asked about this trade on his audio chat, he stated that Tebucky was on the cusp of greatness.

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well then, if we should just sign jones just b/c he is on the cusp of greatness, then the saints should also sign me. heII ive always been great

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SFin Austin, I dont know what you mean by starting but no one on the patriot defense
played more snaps than Jones. He plays all the special teams KO,KR,Punt and PR, and Onside. After KO he did not play the first couple of downs to catch a blow. We had Milloy, Green and Jones back there all three played at the same time back there. with TBuck playing a hybyrd olb/FS position. He is so good on special teams that it was worth the drop off from him to victor Green/Antwan Harris on the downs after speacial teams. He was bought in as a corner under Pete Carrol can could not mater the one on one coverage skils for a starting corner on a playoff team. But he has superior coveage skills for a 220 lb safetey

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One thing for Jones is he would be a no-brainer upgrade over Jay Bellamy at the level he has played at, nevermind the level he could play to. He is more athletic, better in coverage and from I\'ve seen, a better tackler. Oh god, Bellamy and his \"gimme five\" tackles the last couple years almost made me cry every game.
The problem with bringing in Jones is that they plan to start Mel Mitchell at the other safety spot, and a big, fast and athletic as he is as well, he\'s very, very green. Jones is no proven veteran leader and Mitchell needs a veteran presence if he is expected to develop. Bellamy could fill that from the bench possibly as hopefully his mind still knows what he should have been doing on the field.

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Great article Gator - let\'s see what happens!!

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I\'m glad to see that the Saints are the topic of conversation among established media outlets and not for a bad reason. The Saints can really make some moves that could keep us in contention for years to come. I hope they make the right ones.

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I don\'t think the new orleans saints are the type of team that pulls of blockbuster trades. From what I read in the Boston Globe if tha pats don\'t trade jones by the end of day, the trade wont happen. As far as the other rumors about trading for c. woodson and b. urlacher, all I say is yeah right

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where u get this rumor about trading for urlacher? i havent heard anything like that,

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oh, n/m i found it

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gator\'s quote:

\"Word is Jones is asking for a deal that would average $5-6 million a year, and Darius isn\'t far behind. Thus, lies the problem.

As franchise players, both are now counting $3 million against their team\'s cap. If they don\'t get traded or get a new deal from their current teams before 4 p.m. ET Friday, they likely won\'t get a new one from their current teams until mid-July. \"

why would these 2 guys be asking for 5-6 million per year, when the average of the top 5 salaries (franchise player salary) for safetys is only 3 million? :casstet: that just seems a bit outrageous for a safety to be makin 5-6 million when some starting qbs dont make that much

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Again, asking for a lot is a negotiation tactic. Neither of them will get that kind of money.

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Gator, all I can say is thank god you\'re not the GM. The Saints would be nothing but a bunch of guys not good enough to play in the NFL, but who were willing to play just for the chance to get on TV. I\'m surprised you don\'t LOVE Benson and Loomis. Apparently you\'re all \"frugal\". ;)

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actually i did know that it was from an article i just chose to say it was ur quote instead of sayin it was from this article by this guy... an all this other mess, much easier my way lol

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Jones must be on drugs. I have two predictions. One, he will be a Saint by draft day and two, he won\'t sign for nearly what he is reportedly looking for. He doesn\'t have the production on the field to warrant a contract like that. Who does at the safety position.

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on ur first prediction, how will he become a saint by draft day? trade? just curious