Re: The Only place you can find people blaming Brooks
 

TRUE!
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RE: Re: The Only place you can find people blaming Brooks
 

Guys just ignore it. It's the same thing like this every year on this site, we have a bunch of people who just like to stir the pot. Before Brooks there was the Ricky vs Deuce debate (that one went on 2 years after Ricky left) then there was the Brooks vs. Delhomme debate, etc. People are bored and just like to argue. Don't take it personally. When we win opr first few games the same people come out on how they love the guy. Please don't be put out by this.

RE: Re: The Only place you can find people blaming Brooks
 

Gee thats good to know, because I really dont see a problem with AB. I mean I think we are better off at QB than say alot fo other teams in the NFL.

Outside of the Colts, Philly, Pats, Seahawks, Viks, and Falcons, I dont know who would be a good replacement for AB, but im sure some of you will give me your views on that matter.

and note, I dont think Vick is that great of a QB, he is good, but way too much hype around him

Re: RE: Re: The Only place you can find people blaming Brook
 

You crazy if those are the only QBs you think is better than AB. And by the way -- the reason why Brooks gets so much gried is because he constantly boasts about how great he is -- how its never his problem --when he walks the talk people will like him more

I just wonder how many times the same little article is gonna be posted by BlackonBlack. When someone says problems with the OFFENSE, he automatically sees Brooks so it's no wonder he is so up in arms about Brooks' criticism, when the majority are saying OFFENSE.

Yep!!

I have a friend who's comment on this is" You can't rape the willing!" Whenever the offense is brought forward as a problem, 25-30 of these guys run pissing and moaning that you are criticising Laughing Boy (Read Brooks) their hero. And actually he's really GREAT!! That is if you are content with 8-8 seasons. But I guess his STATS are good so that's all that matters. (Sarcasm off)

You crazy if those are the only QBs you think is better than AB. And by the way -- the reason why Brooks gets so much gried is because he constantly boasts about how great he is -- how its never his problem --when he walks the talk people will like him more

Really tell me who eles in the leauge is outside of those QB's would you rather have leading the saints?

First -- what I said is are there better QBs -- not who I would necessarily want right now -- (I am giving Mr Brooks one more year to ealize his potential) -- For the record here are some I believe are better right now -

Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme to name a couple --

Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months.

Have to agree == we all know Brooks can throw the ball -- its consistency, decision making, passion and leadership he needs to improve on. If Brooks can make strides in all of those areas this year our offense should really be potent

David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith.

Halo,

I think past stats give you a good indication of what you're going to get. Brooks in particular needs to improve in two areas: completion percentage and total turnovers.

The guy doesn't have to make huge strides in order to be effective. But as Whodi has been pointing out of late, the offense needs to bring some consistent, mistake free football to the table.

I think when I get a chance I'm going to research the following ideal scenario for our offense:

1) Scored a TD in the 1st quarter.
2) scored in every quarter of the game.
3) Did not turn the ball over.

That should be the offense's goal every game. I wonder (hence the research) the last time that actually happened.

SFIAH

I think that the intangible side of things is probably out of Brooks' reach. Frankly those are abilities that either you have or your don't. If the guy hasn't shown those types of skills in 4 years as a starter, the likelyhood that it's all going to click are quite small.

I just don't think you can coach "You need to have more fire on the field." Better to stick to something objective like "We need for a 70% completion percentage on 3rd down and here's the game plan to do it."

He can be as dead as a cold fish for all I care if he can keep the chains moving and make sure the team scores each and every time they are in the red zone.

SFIAH

I'm glad that there is a AB supporter that is man enough to say that the guy has no fire, no intensity, no cerebral skills and the like. And I agree....I think he can go far enough on raw ability to get us where we want to go. It's the effect he has on other people who actually do give a hoot. Nobody wants to play with a dim witted deadbeat and it showed last season.

Yes AB has the raw talent to get us where we want to go, but as a diehard fan I demand more than that. If we stumble out of the gates let's start giving AMac some snaps....someone who wants to get better. Haslett may have no choice at some point.

i disagree with you Halo....we don't like to disagree!?!? :D

i think peoples biggest problem wiuth arron is his inconsistency and his ability to make some really dumb mistakes. his numbers are good. his play could be something else all together. i don't think there is doubt that we need this guy this year. we do. if we want a real shot at the playoffs we do.
at the same time i don't think that everyone on here blames him completely for our problems. i have heard many times on here about how bad our d is. i think it is obvious that our d is the first place we need help. the first place things start to crumble at. i also think our o line play was pretty bad for arron last year. that never excuses though the fact that he has dropped the ball on the goal line more then once. that he threw the ball backwards last year to an o line guy. that in the tampa game he threw the ball right to the defender from like our 6 yard line who then took it in for a score. so no he isnt our only problem and not even our worst but lets not act like the guy still doesnt have to perform better or with less mistakes because he does.

It amazing how some posters in here
can give our Defense and everybody
on Offense a free ride but AB.

It's like if the Saints don't win or make
the playoff it's Aaron Brooks fault already.

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im not sure if you agreed or diagreed with me along

Leftwhich ????? Not in my book ....

I would throw Saintfan under a bus for Pennington .

He got better from his rookie year to his second year, and he is already completing over 60% of his passes. Yeah, Leftwich.

You mean outside of Manning, McNabb, Brady, Hassleback, Culpepper, and Vick, who else is a better QB? Hhhmm... let me see if I can think of any. Here are a few who are better both statistically and by W/L:

Bulger, Delhomme, Pennington, Favre, Roethlisberger, and Brees (recently).


Here are guys who are better statistically, at least:

Trent Green and Jake Plummer.


Here are young guys with as much potential as AB:

Byron Leftwich, Carson Palmer, David Carr, and Billy Volek. You could probably throw Eli Manning in that group also. Maybe Phillip Rivers.


So that's what? 6 that you said. 6 in my first group. 2 in the second, and at least 4 in the third. That's 18 guys. Funny, b/c AB was 19th in the league in QB rating. Go figure.




One day... I swear it... one day... probably the same day that the Saints win the Super Bowl... people will understand the difference b/w criticism and blame. At this point, I'm honestly more confident in the Saints chances of winning the Super Bowl this season, but as they say, you've gotta have faith, right?

Before this thread gets locked, I'll summarize the Brooks argument...

... it's not about Brooks anymore...

... yes Brooks makes mistakes...
...yes Brooks has great physical ability...
..etc..etc...etc... blah...blah...blah...

... the Brooks debate has turned into a "prove the other guy wrong no matter what" contest, with a heavy dose of "I'll type something that'll piss the Brooks lovers/haters" ...
..."Brooks is better than Archie"...
... "Jake reached the Superbowl and had a better season than Brooks"...
... "it's the defense, they can't stop anyone"...
... "it's the offense, they can't score in the first half"...
... side A uses stats to probe a point, then side B dismisses those stats with "stats don't tell all"...
... side B turns around and uses stats to prove a counterpoint, so side A dismisses those stats with "stats don't tell all"... (Note: Stay on one side, don't use an argument to prove your point then turn around and refute a point because it is being defended with your same argument...)

... and it goes on, and on...

... as usual, the truth lies in the middle...

... as for me, I think that::

Aaron may have better numbers than Archie, but he'll never be as loved as Archie is in N.O.
Stats are for baseball and "fantasy football"...
Jake should be not only a Saint, but the Saints starting QB. Jake may not run as fast, may not have the arm strength, but I sure as hell like to see fire in the guy who's behind center... and I did enjoy rubbing in Jake's Superbowl season on certain members of another board... so sue me...
The team wins games. The team loses games..
The offense not scoring and going 3-and-out early and often does affect the defense.
The defense not stopping anyone does affect the offense.
"On paper" means squat...

..bring up a sensible argument, and we'll talk... bring up the same ol' tired stuff, expect sarcasm and one-liners..

I agree with you spkb25.

I was saying we have alot of
posters in here that have AB at
fault before the season start!!!

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Agreed. I think some people during this time of the year just like to type just to get everyone posting and watch what fires they start. But I think it's a good mantra for everyone who gets into this, not directed at you alone, is to let bygons be bygons. I think we'll see what will happen in a few months.

With so few changes at D this year I'm curious as to what they do. They finished stronger at the end of the year, but sometimes it seems the D gets a "pass" grade for some reason, and this happens at a lot of Saints sites. Why more people aren't angry about our LB's I have no clue. This thread should be named "Who's worse, Allen or Hodge?"

When you can't stop a team, you can score as many points as you like and never win.

BTW, I don't think this is the only Saints site with Brooks bashers, I think we just allow more than others and hope people are having fun until we have to separate the cat fights and the ear-ring pulling.

HALO!!

Great post to keep us all calm. So now in order to get off on the right foot, I believe that neither Allen or Rodgers will start, but Fincher will be right there in the mix. This kid looks great. He and Bockwoldt and the kid in the middle stand a good chance of making a huge difference in the LB corps.

I belive that the addition of Smith and Bullocks to the backfield as well as the rededication of Freddy Thomas will help greatly. Grant, Smith, and Whitehead will anchor the line hopefully. I believe that Sullivan is a gone pecan. Maybe they can get him to be the official "food taster" for the team. But that's about all he'll be. That was a selection that we will regret for a long time.

Also, I fail to understand why we all have so much passion expended over Aaron Brooks (Myself one of the worst) and totally exclude people that were sorry last year like T Jones and Sully. I predict that McKenzie will have a profound effect on the Saints this year. Assuming that he stays healthy, both he and Grant seem to have become the emotional leaders on Defense. Both guys seemed to inspire the D to greater heights.

[quote="RDOX"]HALO!!

Great post to keep us all calm. So now in order to get off on the right foot, I believe that neither Allen or Rodgers will start, but Fincher will be right there in the mix. This kid looks great. He and Bockwoldt and the kid in the middle stand a good chance of making a huge difference in the LB corps. [quote]

I also like FIncher -- he has all the tools a LB needs (although a tad small)

[quote] I belive that the addition of Smith and Bullocks to the backfield as well as the rededication of Freddy Thomas will help greatly. Grant, Smith, and Whitehead will anchor the line hopefully. I believe that Sullivan is a gone pecan. Maybe they can get him to be the official "food taster" for the team. But that's about all he'll be. That was a selection that we will regret for a long time. [quote]

Still looking for a stud DT to really bolster the D

Believe me - Sullivan has gotten his share of blasts in the past -- Tbucky also -- but the real reason is these guys do not show the potential AB does. It is easy to get passionate for or against AB - On the for side you see outstanding skills and arm strength and potential -- on the anti side you see a big ego, poor decision making and leadership, lack of passion in his play -- As a moderate on the subject I can also see why so many will bash him just because of the almost ridiculous defense of AB at every turn -- and also see the other side who protect him blindly because of the attitude so many have that everything would be better for the Saints without AB. As for myself -- the moderate view tells me AB isn't the biggest problem we have -- and he has the talent to overcome and revers the part of the problem his does represent -- Problem is this is his year to reverse that problem otherwise I could not argue keeping him with what he will cost next year