one stat that does seem
 

to matter ----- TIME OF POSESSION === lets see -- this is a statr that both the offense and defense matters in -- the offense matters by how long their drives are -- the defense on how short the opponents drives were -- WHAT THIS MEANS -- both the offense and the defense are to blame --

Bottom line is that AB and Grant (i pick them because they are the keys and supposed leaders) should share in the blame -- perhaps this is why they got into an altercation after one game

Live with it AB lovers and bashers -- this is the true measure --

Now one can argue why the time of possession was so bad -- but why

RE: one stat that does seem
 

i think it can hurt or help. would love to see us eat up the clock this year running the ball

I should clarify my point -- the time of possession argument is he same argument as the offense versus the defense -- both sucked -- ITS A TEAM SUCK though -- SO what I am trying to say is the offense is as much too blame for not scoring in the first quarter -- for going 3 and out most of the time as the defense was for giving up 200 yards plus against the run.

So - saying AB is part of the problem is fair -- just as it is to say he is not the only problem

That is what I am trying to say

Re: one stat that does seem
 

[quote="4saintspirit"]
I kinda go with win as a team and you loss
as one team...Ya don't blame individuals on the
team!!!

But I do see your point.

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RE: Re: one stat that does seem
 

Offense= 50%

Defense= 50%

Coaching= ?

It don't add up hoss.

Oh, if I were Charles Grant?

I would pitch a tent on AB's front yard and sack his ass every time he came out for the Times-Picayune for the situations he puts me in week after week. :x

Offense= 25%

Defense= 25%

Special Team=25%

Coaching= 25%

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Nah bruh it doesn't work like that.

Are you to tell me that the kicker contributes as equally to a win or loss than say, a QB or RB. One typically puts 1 or 3 points on the board, the others can put as many as 35 in one game.

Yeah when one teammate loses they all lose, but that doesn't mean that there aren't individual players that are at fault for losses or responsible for wins.

And as much as you preach equality across the board the NFL doesn't think like that. A starting QB or RB is given more responsibility than say, a 4th string wideout who never sees the field. And if it was all about the team, wouldn't they have just traded the whole team during the offseason instead of trading individuals who weren't pulling their weight.

It isn't all equal....the fact is that some players are given more responsiblility than others.

... tell that to the Jets.

Actually, kickers are the players that usually score more points than anyone on the team..

... for example, according to the NFL website, in 2004, 24 of the top 30 scorers were kickers. You don't see a non-kicker in the list until the 6th spot.

well when you kicker miss's an extra point... that is huge.

OK well in that case my point is proven still. I can't buy along's theory that every person has the same level of responsibility on the team....or that the coaching shares just as much responsibility as the offense, defense or special teams.

GT!!

You're right. Sadly, your post is going to be read as a dig or cut at AB the wonderful. What cannot be gotten across to the ignorant or unwilling to listen is the fact that (rightly or wrongly) the Quarterback is the designated leader of a football team on Offense and the MLB is the leader on the Defense. Case in point was the signing of Orlando Ruff. He didn't get it done and therefore was considered a dog on Defense and everyone was crying for his head.

I am so sick of the parcing of who shares the credit or the blame for the success or failure of the Saints that I could explode. I'll revert back to my position that no one seems to acknowledge. What is WRONG with the Saints is not the Offense or the Defense. It is the sorry, stupid, pecunious, cap conscious, half wits who are in charge of the Front Office. Quite frankly, we should have NEVER traded for Brooks, NEVER. Mike McCarthy wanted Brooks and EVERYONE on Green Bay said at the time he was drafted that he was AT BEST a Project. Had we been blessed with a Football minded General Manager instead of a Capologist and an Egomaniac in Mule and LoomDumb we'd have tried a different strategy.

But, the Brooks debate rages on. 25% for the Offense, Defense, Special Teams, and Coaching is ridiculous. It's 100% of the Blame to the Front Office duds because they have not recognized what is and is not necessary for a winner. Yes, Defense is important, so is Special teams and the Offense. Yet, for the past 4 years we've been content to be 8-8 and sleepwalk through games hoping the the "All Pro" Brooks would show up instead of the "Fumbles the Clown" Brooks. Coaching and personnel decisions would have decided to get someone in here that would have made Brooks fight for his life for his job instead of rewarding his childish, immature behavior sitting out for a pay raise. Had I been GM in that situation, Brooks would have been playing Arena Ball or he would have headed back to the car wash.

Brooks is NOT the problem. POOR MANAGEMENT is the problem, and it HAS BEEN for the past 4 years.

... not so fast...

..see? for the kicker to score points:
- The holder has to place the ball correctly for the kicker to kick it.
- The line has to hold the defensive rush to prevent the kick for being blocked.
- He's got to be in scoring position, i.e., close enough to the goal posts, and he would be in scoring position because either:
a) the offense moved the ball to that position or
b) the defense came with a stop in the other team's side of the field.

I did not say player have the same level of responsibility.
All I was saying is...Football is a team game you win or loss
as one....and yes coaching is a part of the team without a doubt.
But when a team start blaming one or two individuals for the things that can go wrong...You no longer have a team...and without a team ya damn sure will not win in the NFL!!!

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