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buzwa 07-14-2005 11:51 AM

Supplemental Draft
 
Here is a link for the list of players:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_...ts/4383.0.html

Anyone in the Sup. draft worth taking by the Saints?

papz 07-14-2005 12:00 PM

RE: Supplemental Draft
 
I've read many articles about us being interested in Crosby but we already have tons of receivers on our depth chart. We really don't need another project. He has nice size, speed, etc. but so does our other receivers. He's looks in part very similiar to Gardner... we don't need another one. We just need for one of the guys here to step up next to Horn and Stallworth.

As for Wright, we have lots of players here that fit the bill physically. I'd wait and not take anyone until next year as it will be another deep draft. His 6'6 330 frames looks very Marcus Stroud-like, which is hella tempting, but I don't think he's going to be worth one of our high rounders.

4saintspirit 07-15-2005 08:09 AM

Re: RE: Supplemental Draft
 
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Originally Posted by papz
As for Wright, we have lots of players here that fit the bill physically. I'd wait and not take anyone until next year as it will be another deep draft. His 6'6 330 frames looks very Marcus Stroud-like, which is hella tempting, but I don't think he's going to be worth one of our high rounders.

Yeah -- but Miami got him in the 5th -- I would have given a 4th or a 5th for a prospect like that -- especially when we are pretty weak at that position --- once again our front office has their heads in the sand and probably think we are fine at that position

saintswhodi 07-15-2005 08:28 AM

Re: RE: Supplemental Draft
 
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Originally Posted by papz
As for Wright, we have lots of players here that fit the bill physically. I'd wait and not take anyone until next year as it will be another deep draft. His 6'6 330 frames looks very Marcus Stroud-like, which is hella tempting, but I don't think he's going to be worth one of our high rounders.

Yeah -- but Miami got him in the 5th -- I would have given a 4th or a 5th for a prospect like that -- especially when we are pretty weak at that position --- once again our front office has their heads in the sand and probably think we are fine at that position

I agree whole-heartedly 4ss. A FIFTH ROUNDER?? Hell, we took Chase "Mr. Glass" Lyman in the 4th. What a wasted damn pick that was. But we won't take a chance on Wright, when we NEED DTs? In case they were unaware, our DTs suck. Bringing in more bodies to compete IS NOT a bad idea in this case. If you have a glaring weakness, you WANT more people there to attempt to fill this weakness. When I saw he went for a fifth rounder, I about puked. I think we missed out on that one. The bottom line for me is that position is nowhere near set, and if we are gonna waste 4th rounder on brittle bones players like Lyman, what would be so terrible about a 5th on Wright?

ScottyRo 07-15-2005 09:38 AM

RE: Re: RE: Supplemental Draft
 
Although I doubt the front office was really going to try and get him, we don't have any info that they actually weren't going to get him in the 5th round. I don't really know about the format of the sup. draft, but I would guess that the picking order is similar to the previous draft. If that's the case then it looks like Miami scooped us and we didn't get a chance to draft him in the 5th.

Anyone have any info on the sup. draft procedure?

4saintspirit 07-15-2005 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyRo
Although I doubt the front office was really going to try and get him, we don't have any info that they actually weren't going to get him in the 5th round. I don't really know about the format of the sup. draft, but I would guess that the picking order is similar to the previous draft. If that's the case then it looks like Miami scooped us and we didn't get a chance to draft him in the 5th.

Anyone have any info on the sup. draft procedure?

You are correct in the order -- but we could have and should drafted him when he dropped to the 4th

saintswhodi 07-15-2005 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 4saintspirit
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Originally Posted by ScottyRo
Although I doubt the front office was really going to try and get him, we don't have any info that they actually weren't going to get him in the 5th round. I don't really know about the format of the sup. draft, but I would guess that the picking order is similar to the previous draft. If that's the case then it looks like Miami scooped us and we didn't get a chance to draft him in the 5th.

Anyone have any info on the sup. draft procedure?

You are correct in the order -- but we could have and should drafted him when he dropped to the 4th

Exactly.

papz 07-15-2005 10:40 AM

Re: RE: Supplemental Draft
 
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Originally Posted by papz
As for Wright, we have lots of players here that fit the bill physically. I'd wait and not take anyone until next year as it will be another deep draft. His 6'6 330 frames looks very Marcus Stroud-like, which is hella tempting, but I don't think he's going to be worth one of our high rounders.

I would have definately spent a 4th or 5th on the guy. I didn't want us to do anything bone-headed and go higher. "High rounders." You know I love rookies. :wink: It's going to be ok sw... I think we are going to be able to find another Howard Green on this team. Chase Lyman will come back next year and catch 7 touchdowns!!! :P

jbutts 07-15-2005 10:46 AM

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maybe none of you realize this but wright has the same kind of concerns that sullivan has. Ed Orgeron formerly of USC and now Ole Miss spoke candidly about this guy saying he was consisitently overweight and lacked a strong motor. now you want to give up a pick on him? he hardly played last season beheind cody and patterson, but he merits anything more than a street free agent contract? you guys must be out of your usually very competent minds. we cant get the lyman pick back. im sorry about that too. however there is no reason to go wasting another pick on someone whos not going to contribute for another two to four more years, as i believe the best case learning curve is for a junior or senior DT.
tell me if any of these qoutes remind you of one johnathan S. or Ricky W.:
"A team is really rolling the dice. �
"He's always been an enigma."
"Manny is really a mystery,"
"Wright's weight could fluctuate between 290 and 320 pounds"
"Sometimes, his attitude is very, very immature. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=2106749

and to answer another question, the sup draft is set up by lottery; all teams with less than 6 wins are put into a hat and that order is drawn. then the remaning non-playoff teams are put into a hat and the next order is drawn. then the playoff teams are put into a hat and drawn. so its similar to the april lottery as it is done by record, just more general, so there is a good chance Miami beat us to him, although as i stated thats for the best.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8640758

saintswhodi 07-15-2005 10:54 AM

I don't know if we really want get into a discussion on potential we have drafted higher. You make a fine point butts, and in principal I agree, but out DTs suck. That's the bottom line. We need to be lining up guys from New Orleans to Tuscaloosa and bringing them into camp to try and fill this position. It's a low cost high risk pick, granted. But do I really need to mention the picks we have wasted or the players we have passed on? This guy plays at a positon we need. If he works out, great. If he doesn't, what did it cost us, a 4th rounder? If that's the case, give me back my third rounders we spent on James Allen, Cie Grant, and Sed Hodge. gimme back the second rounders we spent on Devery and Stinch. Give me back the two firsts we spent on Sully definitely. We have drafted players who will sit at positions we didn't truly need for years, a 4th rounder for this guy would have been no big loss. Didn't we take a huge gamble on A-Mac? HE has as many questions about him as anyone, but the hope is he will develop here. Also, I was told John Pease was a master motivator on the d-line, isn't he supposed to be the guy that will egt Sully where we want him to be? He couldn't develop Wright?

4saintspirit 07-15-2005 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I don't know if we really want get into a discussion on potential we have drafted higher. You make a fine point butts, and in principal I agree, but out DTs suck. That's the bottom line. We need to be lining up guys from New Orleans to Tuscaloosa and bringing them into camp to try and fill this position. It's a low cost high risk pick, granted. But do I really need to mention the picks we have wasted or the players we have passed on? This guy plays at a positon we need. If he works out, great. If he doesn't, what did it cost us, a 4th rounder? If that's the case, give me back my third rounders we spent on James Allen, Cie Grant, and Sed Hodge. gimme back the second rounders we spent on Devery and Stinch. Give me back the two firsts we spent on Sully definitely. We have drafted players who will sit at positions we didn't truly need for years, a 4th rounder for this guy would have been no big loss. Didn't we take a huge gamble on A-Mac? HE has as many questions about him as anyone, but the hope is he will develop here. Also, I was told John Pease was a master motivator on the d-line, isn't he supposed to be the guy that will egt Sully where we want him to be? He couldn't develop Wright?

I agree -- Sully was 2 1st rounders -- taking a chance on a guy with a 4th is well worth the upside potential

jbutts 07-15-2005 04:19 PM

all good points whodi and 4saint,
im just asking us to stop wasteing picks on the players you mentioned and possible waste on wright.
i want us to go and get guys who can play the game, and everybody knows it.
i want those blockbuster deals for corey simon or richard seymour.
i want us to go after guys who will help us today on.
and thats everywhere not just the d-line.

it seems this franchise always looks to the future when they never addressed the present.
to me, wright is a player who will be good in a few years, if things go correctly.
i would rather us package the fourth and all those picks we gave up for stinch and sully and cie and allen and hodge and get a player who plays.


please bear in mind that i didnt want to sound like a 6 yr old kid with a case of the "i wannas"


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