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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; That's interesting. Of course, I don't know of anybody here who hates Jake. The perception is that not hating Brooks = hating Jake. But then people that think that aren't really reading they're assuming, or just trying to stir trouble. ...

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Old 07-18-2005, 01:50 PM   #21
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That's interesting. Of course, I don't know of anybody here who hates Jake. The perception is that not hating Brooks = hating Jake. But then people that think that aren't really reading they're assuming, or just trying to stir trouble.
LMAO. The ultimate irony. Not hating Brooks = hating Jake, huh?

Could the same be said of not hating Jake = hating Brooks?


To draw any inference on a person's feeling about one player based on his thoughts on another is unwise. If I say that Jake is a better QB than Brooks, which is an opinion (that just happens to be true), does that mean I don't like Brooks? Have I said Brooks is a bad QB? Have I blamed him for the team's woes? Why is it that if I were to say that LT is a better back than Deuce nobody would bat an eyelash, but if I say Delhomme is a better QB than Brooks I'm an agenda-wongering pessimist who simply hates AB? And don't even pretend like you haven't said exactly that.

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Old 07-18-2005, 02:24 PM   #22
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Well well well...here's comes the cavalry! I can already smell the horse shi!.

To draw any inference on a person's feeling about one player based on his thoughts on another is unwise.
Would it also then be unwise to "draw any inference" on a person's feeling about the QB based on his/her thoughts about the defense? Would that also be unwise? Get Fu&^'in real spin doctor.

If I say that Jake is a better QB than Brooks, which is an opinion (that just happens to be true), does that mean I don't like Brooks?
No, it certainly does not. The crap you've spewed here for years is how I know you don't like Brooks. If we won the Superbowl with Brooks as our QB I swear I do think some people would say we won it in spite of him, and you'd be right there leading the charge.

Why is it that if I were to say that LT is a better back than Deuce nobody would bat an eyelash, but if I say Delhomme is a better QB than Brooks I'm an agenda-wongering pessimist who simply hates AB? And don't even pretend like you haven't said exactly that.
Your "agenda" has not one damn thing to do with Delhomme. Don't even "pretend like" you don't know that. Neither I not Delhomme nor Brooks have anything to do with the fact that you're an "agenda-wongering pessimist". Blame your parents for that one.

By the way Whodi, it was nice of Whodat to do what he could to divert the "conversation"...you remember...the one where you were tellling me (or trying to) that you post stuff about Louisiana players ALL the time...oh sure you do. I'm still waiting...maybe Whodat will help you look. He used to do that for some of his other deciples, so don't go thinking your special.

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Old 07-18-2005, 02:24 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by saintfan
Did you start the CURRENT thread by stating Jake is available and we should go after him? Naw...you sure didn't. You seem to miss the point, or you seem to be taking a cue from your brethren, which is fairly clear.

Guess who was the first to comment about Rohan Davey? And openly lobbied for us to bring him in? Back in January? Damn saintfan, what you doing walking through fire with gasoline draws on? That was WAY before this Jake thread. I am sure I could find others giving props to LSU players, but I think you have been embarrassed enough.
Rohan Davey? Keep reading here for more about Mr. Davey and how he's not what you're looking for based on your very own criteria. Find me ONE...just ONE thread, a thread YOU started, and started for NO OTHER REASON (you say) other than to give props to a player from another team simply because he's from Louisiana and he "Won an NFL Sanctioned Event" or played in a Superbowl. You can't do it Whodi because you've NEVER done it. Jeesh, man, I didn't make up the rules here, you did...thing is you didn't know you'd get called to the carpet for it either huh? LMAO

Oh and by the way, Mr. Davey isn't from anywhere NEAR Louisiana. The deal here is LOUISIANA PLAYERS is it not? Players FROM Louisiana. Along with your lesson in humility I'll be glad to thown in some Geography for a very small fee. You see, players from Jamaica don't fit your previously mentioned criteria now do they?

Rohan St. Patrick Davey was born the son of Dottlyn Carruthers and Jeff Davey on April 14, 1978 in Clarendon, Jamaica
Oh, and, here's the link to the Patriots site just in case...

http://cachewww.patriots.com/Team/in...rBio&bio=17890

That was weak
Yes, I agree that it was. VERY weak in fact.

Embarrassed? I think not... 8)

Who's wearing the gasoline draws Whodi?
Damn, you are reaching now saintsfan. Did Davey or did he not go to LSU? Does LSU stand for Laos State University, or maybe it stands for Lincoln State University? No, is stands for LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY. Get it? Meaning a player from LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY is gonna get my support. Cause LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY is in no other state than, yup you guessed it, LOUISIANA. Get it now? I also made a thread openly callign for Saban to be our head coach. Guess where his last college job was? I also made a thread saying the 3rd WR job was Devery's once we traded Pathon. Guess where he went to school. LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY which in in the state of......well, I hope you can figure that out yourself. How long ago was the superbowl saintfan? 6 months? If that recent to you? Would yesterday be more recent than 6 months ago? In my world it is.

HEre's my Saban thread:

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...ght=nick+saban

Again LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY. Didn't know you would try to pick at something so small, but let me explain. If player A goes to LSU, played A is a hometown guy to me. If player B is from Louisiana but does not go to LSU, player B is still a hometown guy to me. Any clearer? But ya know what? This is getting us nowhere. I didn't know saying something good about a local guy could cause so many people to be offended. I guess Brooks has more crushes than just Billy.

Out of respect for Halo, that's my last reply on this junk. Brooks lovers know how to turn a good thing into drama.
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:39 PM   #24
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Damn, you are reaching now saintsfan. Did Davey or did he not go to LSU? Does LSU stand for Laos State University, or maybe it stands for Lincoln State University? No, is stands for LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY. Get it? Meaning a player from LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY is gonna get my support
Well Let's see here Whodi...a player from LSU gets your support...mine too. That's GREAT to hear. Now, moving forward...be so kind as to allow me to quote ya on a few things here brotha...

What other Louisiana player has recently won an NFL sanctioned event or been in a Superbowl? I'll wait on your answer to see who I missed.
I'm reaching? I read that as "Louisiana player", don't you? Lemme quote you again if I may be so bold...

Or he could make an I hate local guys who don't play for us forum. That's for those who could care less about people from their home state when they do well, except if they wear black and gold and aren't from here, then it doesn't really matter if they suck and embarrass the team, love them anyway!!
"Those who could care less about people from their home state when they do well" I do believe you said. PEOPLE FROM FROM FROM FROM FROM THEIR HOME STATE!!!!!!!!!!!! Your whole argument here is that Jake is a homestate boy right? That's how you began defending your posting of this thread (among others)...that you give props to home state players that do good things. Excuse me for pointing this out, but Davey doesn't qualify, geographically speaking. Now, I can certainly understand how you'd want to expand this little deal based on the fact that you haven't been able to locate one single solitary thread that YOU started where you're giving props to another player FROM Louisiana for having won some "NFL Sanctioned Event" or playing in the Superbowl, so you feel the need to now expand it so that you're allowed to include players that played their college ball in Louisiana. How bout you expand it even further and include any player in the NFL who's ever even been to New Orleans, to play football or otherwise. Go ahead and expand your own rules out that far and keep looking and do the following:

Fine ONE thread that YOU started with the purpose of giving props to ANY player for either winning an officialy sponsored "NFL Event" or for playing in the Superbowl. You might have a chance so long as we don't restrict you to Louisiana born players.

Oh, by the way, back home well call this Crawfishin'...or in your case, crawfishin' with gasoline draws.

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Old 07-18-2005, 02:59 PM   #25
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Out of respect for Halo, that's my last reply on this junk. Brooks lovers know how to turn a good thing into drama.
If player A goes to LSU, played A is a hometown guy to me. If player B is from Louisiana but does not go to LSU, player B is still a hometown guy to me. Any clearer?
Reading comprehension.

Again LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY
In my homestate. I have made several threads about players and a coach from that school, which is in my homestate, which I support.

Out of respect for Halo, that's my last reply on this junk. Brooks lovers know how to turn a good thing into drama.
Stir the pot all you want, you have nothing better to do then to start petty arguments that falls back into how much you love Aaron, and how much you hate Jake. His every success eats at you so much you have to pick out little insignificant details and turn them into an argument that wasn't even based on the original thought. Just cause I don't think you are clear on this, LSU PLAYERS ARE HOMESTATE GUYS TO ME. Or do you think you only have to be born there to go to LSU? For some reason, I can believe that. Halo has asked me to move on, I suggest you do the same, cause you have done nothing but prove you have a crush on Brooks, and will pounce at any chance to discredit anyone who respects Jake. Sad, but when you support Aaron Brooks, what else do you really have but attempting to down others? Jake is from my homestate, he gets my support. LSU players attend the most successful college in my state, they get my support. Your Brooks love agenda isn't gonna change that. Find a new hobby.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:16 PM   #26
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I don't particularly want to further inflame the situation but.....
It's pretty obvious to me that both of you ( well 3 if you count whodat) have very strong feelings about the issue. The reality is that for more objective Saints fans (not from Louisiana, incidentally) Delhomme is someone who blossomed when thrown into a second half rally that defied the odds. He just took that momentum and kept going. In many ways, he set the standard right out of the gates, the team seemed to respond and rally around some off-field crisis' and snowball it into a memorable season.

Last year the team was genuinely hurt by significant injuries and somehow they managed a late season surge. Character. However, as we all know, when crunch time came, when it was all on the line, the playoffs beckoning with a win at HOME, the panthers were dominated. The scoreline would suggest that it was a squeaker, but it wasn't. Following the personal foul call on the Saints in the first half, the Saints just decided they were going to win ( count AB among those) and they did.

My lingering impression of Delhomme from that day is one of a gutsy leader who was outmatched. Truth be told he tried to do too much and threw some bad balls. This was the same team that had rallied through the second half of the season and was on the brink of success vs. the team that had been ridiculed by its owner. The saints won fair and square. And Brooks was obviously the more composed and clinical QB on the day. My gut feeling is that Delhomme is like a much less talented Favre, while AB is like a much less likeable Randall Cunningham. When AB is ON he will throw the 60 yard rainbow or scramble for the heart in the mouth 3rd and 10. They both have greatness in them, but neither can do it all alone. For that matter NO QB can do it alone. Try to reconcile your differences boys 'cause this is gonna be a good year for the Black and Gold. Honest. It will be.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:38 PM   #27
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johnnythesaint,

Well put. I appreciate your level headed reply. And to all on this thread, let's stop the finger pointing and repeated arguments. Go to the everything else board to fight. If you're going to reply please say something with substance. If it can't work I'll lock it but I don't want to and you guys know that.
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Stir the pot all you want, you have nothing better to do then to start petty arguments that falls back into how much you love Aaron, and how much you hate Jake.
Excuse me, but I didn't start this one. I called you to the floor for your intensions -- the very reason that you started this thread, and you've crawfished your way into a corner you can't get out of. It's ok. I tee'd you up and took a swing, I admit that. Maybe you can admit why you REALLY started this thread now, but I doubt you're capable. Either way, I think we all know why you started it, at least those of us that read your posts know why.

For the record, and you can look it up, I have nothing against Jake, not now and not ever. I simply recognize where all the Jake love comes from...at least most of it, and the reason you and a very select few others start threads like this one, and you apprear to be guilty as charged. Go check my post just after the 2004 Superbowl and quote me. After you've done that, THEN come back here and type "Brooks Lover" and "Jake Hater" and all that other crap followed by my name...IF you can. Know your facts before you start in with me k? In fact, how about I post it for you and save you the work. You've been searching in vain most of the day I'm sure for those "ghost" posts of yours...here's mine:

As much as I have wanted to see the Panthers lose his year (and I wanted to see them lose REALLY REALLY BAD) I wanted to see them loose the Superbowl even more. I was frolicking in Glee early in the game yesterday cause 'ol Jake the lucky snake was playing so poorly. He looked out of place in that game early on, and all my suspicions were being validated. I was already plotting my comments for this site.

As the game went on I began to see something in Jake. I'm still not convinced he's the great QB some say he is, and I'm still not convinced he's this specimen of a leader some say he is, but GOD he has heart. They had no running game and their line wasn't blocking very well at all, and Jake kept comin' back. In my opinion, had it not been for Jake the Panthers would have been out of that game early in the 3rd quarter...game over.

I'll go on record and say that Jake Delhomme is one hell of a football player. He played his guts out yesterday, and it was sad to see him on the sidelines after the game. I thought the guy was gonna cry, and I couldn't have blamed him if he did. No question he left it ALL on the field, and that's really all you can ask of the guy. Had the Panters won that game (and Jake didn't loose it for 'em) there's no question who the MVP of the Superbowl would have been.

Finally, in a game that was supposed to suck, I think it was one of the best Superbowls I've ever seen, and Jake is the guy, in my opinion, that made that happen. He just woulnd't let his team lose. For those of you who have stubbornly supported Jake, let me say I still think Brooks should be the Saints QB, but as I've said before, I'm all about credit where credit is due, and Jake Delhomme deserves a LOT of credit. More than winning or losing yesterday, Jake proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he belongs in the NFL as a starting QB. I'm still glad the Panthers lost, but I have a new respect for Jake Delhomme. I still think he and his team were incredibly lucky this year, and I think their luck finally ran out on 'em, but I can't take a thing away from Jake Delhomme. Congradulations to JAKE DELHOMME. He represented himself VERY well in the biggest sporting event in the world...what more can you ask?
You better believe I've argured the Jake/Brooks argument. You have no idea my man...none a'tall, but there you have my feelings on Jake Delhomme all summed up nicely for you. Before you start in on callling me a "Jake Hater" or a "Brooks Lover" you might check and make sure you're not standing on shaky ground. I know why you started this little thread and you know why you started this little thread. Your opening comment pretty much says it all, substantiated by today's crawfishin'.

Your Brooks love agenda isn't gonna change that.
Hey Whodat, he used that "A" word. What are you gonna do about it? Got your RED MARKER handy? Bias much? LMAO

My work here is done...'til next time ya'll. 8)

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Originally Posted by saintfan
Stir the pot all you want, you have nothing better to do then to start petty arguments that falls back into how much you love Aaron, and how much you hate Jake.
Excuse me, but I didn't start this one. I called you to the floor for your intensions -- the very reason that you started this thread, and you've crawfished your way into a corner you can't get out of. It's ok. I tee'd you up and took a swing, I admit that. Maybe you can admit why you REALLY started this thread now, but I doubt you're capable. Either way, I think we all know why you started it, at least those of us that read your posts know why.

For the record, and you can look it up, I have nothing against Jake, not now and not ever. I simply recognize where all the Jake love comes from...at least most of it, and the reason you and a very select few others start threads like this one, and you apprear to be guilty as charged. Go check my post just after the 2004 Superbowl and quote me. After you've done that, THEN come back here and type "Brooks Lover" and "Jake Hater" and all that other crap followed by my name...IF you can. Know your facts before you start in with me k? In fact, how about I post it for you and save you the work. You've been searching in vain most of the day I'm sure for those "ghost" posts of yours...here's mine:

As much as I have wanted to see the Panthers lose his year (and I wanted to see them lose REALLY REALLY BAD) I wanted to see them loose the Superbowl even more. I was frolicking in Glee early in the game yesterday cause 'ol Jake the lucky snake was playing so poorly. He looked out of place in that game early on, and all my suspicions were being validated. I was already plotting my comments for this site.

As the game went on I began to see something in Jake. I'm still not convinced he's the great QB some say he is, and I'm still not convinced he's this specimen of a leader some say he is, but GOD he has heart. They had no running game and their line wasn't blocking very well at all, and Jake kept comin' back. In my opinion, had it not been for Jake the Panthers would have been out of that game early in the 3rd quarter...game over.

I'll go on record and say that Jake Delhomme is one hell of a football player. He played his guts out yesterday, and it was sad to see him on the sidelines after the game. I thought the guy was gonna cry, and I couldn't have blamed him if he did. No question he left it ALL on the field, and that's really all you can ask of the guy. Had the Panters won that game (and Jake didn't loose it for 'em) there's no question who the MVP of the Superbowl would have been.

Finally, in a game that was supposed to suck, I think it was one of the best Superbowls I've ever seen, and Jake is the guy, in my opinion, that made that happen. He just woulnd't let his team lose. For those of you who have stubbornly supported Jake, let me say I still think Brooks should be the Saints QB, but as I've said before, I'm all about credit where credit is due, and Jake Delhomme deserves a LOT of credit. More than winning or losing yesterday, Jake proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he belongs in the NFL as a starting QB. I'm still glad the Panthers lost, but I have a new respect for Jake Delhomme. I still think he and his team were incredibly lucky this year, and I think their luck finally ran out on 'em, but I can't take a thing away from Jake Delhomme. Congradulations to JAKE DELHOMME. He represented himself VERY well in the biggest sporting event in the world...what more can you ask?
You better believe I've argured the Jake/Brooks argument. You have no idea my man...none a'tall, but there you have my feelings on Jake Delhomme all summed up nicely for you. Before you start in on callling me a "Jake Hater" or a "Brooks Lover" you might check and make sure you're not standing on shaky ground. I know why you started this little thread and you know why you started this little thread. Your opening comment pretty much says it all, substantiated by today's crawfishin'.

Your Brooks love agenda isn't gonna change that.
Hey Whodat, he used that "A" word. What are you gonna do about it? Got your RED MARKER handy? Bias much? LMAO

My work here is done...'til next time ya'll. 8)
I get it now, you are back to ASSuming. You ASSumed why I started this thread, then ASSumed a repsonse that really had no place in the discussion. I started a thread to congratulate a guy from Louisiana. Sorry if that offends you. Every other player I named went to LSU, if I went just hometown, threre would only be about two out of actual New Orleans. But LSU is within my state and happens to be the college I love, and their players play FOR THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA, therefore, they are hometown boys form me. I am sorry I can't make you understand that Louisiana Stae University is in Louisiana, but I am sure everyone else understands that. There's always one though. Just so you are straight, I previously reported a rumor that a player from my home state won the NFL QB challenge, and after it was over I confirmed it. NOTHING in my original post says ANYTHING at all about Brooks, but all you have to do is ASSume right?

And who cares what you wrote about a Superbowl two years ago? You readily admit you were happy when he was playign bad.

I was frolicking in Glee early in the game yesterday cause 'ol Jake the lucky snake was playing so poorly
And so cause he played fantastic, you want me to believe you started liking him? And I am crawfishing? Tell me about the bridge you have for sale, it's about as believable as that drivel. IF you can't accept congratulations for a player form our home state, I don't know what to tell you. My state ain't the greatest, but I am glad I grew up there, and like to see success stories form there, cause there are so few. Too bad your Jake hate doesn't allow that.
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