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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I wouldn\'t take it that far Black and Blue, but I totally agree. We may as well walk to the podium and hand Tagliabue a card that says \"Can you just pick for us?\" if we select a QB with ...

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Old 03-14-2003, 09:51 AM   #11
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I wouldn\'t take it that far Black and Blue, but I totally agree. We may as well walk to the podium and hand Tagliabue a card that says \"Can you just pick for us?\" if we select a QB with a 1st rounder.
It would be a supreme waste of time to draft a QB that high to use as a project. Our current QB is too young and talented to give upon yet. He puts up Pro Bowl numbers at times and if they can make him consistent, he will be one. He just needs a solid back up, healthy running back and a safety valve TE that can ctach and he\'ll be okay.
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Old 03-14-2003, 02:32 PM   #12
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The saints will be absolutely crazy to pick Carson Palmer. Aaron Brooks is a star on the rise. Everyone was happy with him the the 1st seven weeks and lookin at the superbowl. The Saints did make a poor choice of playing him while he was injured. Can you blame a player for not taking himself out while it is obvious the injury is hendering his abilities? If that is the case why not blame Deuce? They\'re too much blame AB is taking from saints fan. Stop lookin at the QB at fault. The main reason the saints didn\'t make the playoff is that they didn\'t have a solution for stoping the run. Do you think we would have made the playoffs if Culpepper didn\'t make the 2 point conversion or the off the bench running back for Cinn... didn\'t make last minute Td? I am telling ya\'ll it is the run defense that should shoulder all the blame.

The saint should pick up a DT if they make a trade with houston or pick Terrance Newman
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Old 03-14-2003, 03:34 PM   #13
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Rod - I agree completely about picking up Palmer. I also think that, like it or not, Brooks is the future of the franchise, as the coaching staff is grooming him to lead for a long time.

However, and I\'m sure I\'ll hear it from Saintfan for this but, Brooks is very much to blame. Yes, the defense played poorly. Yes Deuce was not as productive. But Brooks\' play tanked.

You see, the defense sucked all year. They allowed the two lowest point totals of the year in the last two games. They were not good by any means but that was nothing new. As for Deuce, in the ten games before he got hurt he averaged 21 carries for 95 yards and 0.9 TDs. In the five games he played after he got hurt, he carried an average of 24 times for 88 yards and 0.8 TDs. That means his output really only dropped by 7 yards and 1 TD out of every TEN games. That\'s not much to me. In fact, he had 3 100 yard games (actually one was 99 but we\'ll round if that\'s ok with you), and if you take out the Cinci game (when I think our line didn\'t block very well), his stats actaully got better.

On the flip side, Brooks averaged about 20/34 (57.5% completion percentage) for 245 yards and 1.9 TDs before he got hurt. In the five games after the injury, he was 13/30 (44% completion percentage) for 176 yards and 1.2 TDs. That means he completed 13.5% fewer passes for 70 fewer yards and almost one fewer scores per game. Now, if you had to name a single player whose play dropped off the most from average towards the end of the season, who would it be?

I acknowledge the fact that no one player can completely jeopardize a team\'s ability to win. The coaches are responsible. The defense is responsible. Every player is responsible. But Brooks is the MOST responsible, except maybe for Haslett, who didn\'t take Brooks out and put a capable backup in the game. Brooks\' play dropped off the most while playing at a position that probably most impacts a team. Let\'s not confuse things.

Wow, did I just open this can of worms back up or what?

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Old 03-14-2003, 05:09 PM   #14
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Old 03-14-2003, 05:51 PM   #15
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Gator - one this one, I couldn\'t agree more.
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Old 03-14-2003, 07:36 PM   #16
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Ok...Whodat, I understand his statics dropped, however the guy was injured. Teams eventually study your habits and adjust there defense. Give the other teams defense credit however the saints still produce on offense. Some saints fans just got spoiled, seeing how well AB produce and when the guy is hurt ready to throw stones at a guy who produce better than any QB in a saints uniform. Yes, I said it BETTER look up the statics on that (remember this is only his third season as a starter). I am curious, blame this guy for what? Who would want a player that will play during a injury? If AB was not producing well enough for the team is it really his call to pull himself out? What about Deuce and Joe, these guys was hurt also and there statics dropped? I will want a player who became injured and still fought to be on the field. People might say he was scared he would have lost the starter position but that is ridiculous. The saints would had to swallow alot of cap money to put AB on the bench. I mean who want a guy that cost alot on the bench, cuz they would had to take a big hit if they trade him. Saint fans be happy you have a QB dedicated to be on the field. Like I asked before BLAME AB FOR WHAT?

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Old 03-14-2003, 11:57 PM   #17
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Gator, I\'m gonna have to agree with you as well. It all starts with the coaching, mainly the head coach. He is the main guy in charge and responsible for everything that happens with the team. Whether they win or lose, it\'s always a result of how the head coach does. It sucks, but that comes with the territory of being the main leader of the team. I think the main thing is that Haslett needs to find a way to motivate his players. In 2000, it seems like everyone on the team was having fun. The past two seasons that didn\'t seem so. They need to go back to having fun and playing football. Motivation can go a long way. To me, talent doesn\'t mean anything if you\'ve got a group of mediocre guys who are motivated to succeed.
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Old 03-15-2003, 09:16 AM   #18
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Rod - we\'ve already had this conversation and I really don\'t want to rehash it. Let me say that the coaches are to BLAME for not pulling Brooks. However, Deuce\'s and Horn\'s number didn\'t drop much when they were playing injured. Brooks\' plummeted. And yes, Aaron Brooks was scared he would lose his starting spot. The guy is a brat. He wants to be the center of attention. He wants to be THE man. That can\'t happen if you\'re on the bench. Plus, that is the worst attitude a quarterback could possibly have with this offense.

Now, let\'s not dwell on the past. We\'ll see what this guy can do next year. I\'ll admit that he has potential. With the money he\'s making and the way some fans talk about him, I won\'t be impressed unless he has a Pro Bowl season, and significantly reduces the number of mistakes he makes on the field. But that\'s just me.

I will say this. Look at the difference between Haslett and Herman Edwards. Both are young supposedly defensive minded coaches. In Edwards I see fire and dedication. Any one remember the \"You play to win the game\" press conference. Meanwhile, Haslett stands on the sidelines with a confused scowl and babbles about not knowing what went wrong and not understanding the fans \"down here.\"

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Jets. They are a young team with lots of young offensive talent and a new young QB with lots of potential. Personally, I will compare Haslett to Edwards probably more than any coach, b/c they are so similar. Somehow I doubt that Haslett will live up.

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Old 03-16-2003, 10:17 PM   #19
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Aghhhhhhhhh...I\'m a Saints fan. I need to slit my wrists. Is that most of what I just read cept using different words??
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Old 03-16-2003, 10:29 PM   #20
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pretty much
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