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Not sure if this has been fully taken care of but............
Vikings | Police & Courts: Todd Bouman - from KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
February 7, 2003 15:15:35 PT Updating previous reports, KSTPTV reports Minnesota Vikings backup QB Todd Bouman is under investigation for allegedly sexually assaulting a woman during a weekend snowmobile rally and fund-raiser. Lori Peterson, lawyer of the 30 year-old woman involved, claims her client was repeatedly assaulted. "She suffered extreme (physical) injuries, internal and external," Peterson said Thursday. Peterson described the alleged assault as “horrific.”

Maybe we could bring back Cecil Collins too.

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I remember reading that in the T-P this morning. It definately caught my eye. Why in the hell would the Saints sign a player that brings with him this kind of baggage? You\'d think they would have learned their lesson. I mean, what is going to happen if he is convicted and he goes to jail? There\'s a waste of a draft pick and money that could have gone elsewhere. Also, why did we never hear anything of this? It seems as if they were looking at other QB\'s, only to all of the sudden sign Bouman. I can\'t say that I am one to criticize the Saints management, but I\'m certainly questioning their motives with this acquisition.

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Well, they could have grabbed Rattay for probably a similar salary, and he would have cost the same six round pick we just dealt to the Vikings...

but Rattay is too much like Delhomme. Young (what is he 25, 26?), a career backup to date that probably has the skills to start somewhere sometime, and best of all he went to LA tech. Can\'t have a guy like that - the fans will like him too much and then our little baby Aaron gets his feelings hurt. Poor guy. Let\'s go sign a convict, they\'ll love Aaron compared to this guy!

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From what I\'ve heard Rattay may end up on the sidelines...as a coach. The guy spends the entire game on the sidelines analyzing defenses and writing plays.
Yeah, this was a dumb move.

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Please see all prvious posts regarding stupid off season moves :casstet:

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I think this guy is an excellent backup and probable starter. Not proven guilty yet so what\'s the fuss?

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19:07 PT: Updating previous reports, John Clayton reports for ESPN.com QB Todd Bouman\'s new one-year deal with the New Orleans Saints is worth $1 million.

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Some of the mock drafts i have seen have Carson Palmer sliding to 4th or 5th pick. Marvin Lewis is said to be looking more towards Kennedy or Newman. In this scenario, would it make sense for the saints to try to trade Turley to Houston for their 3rd overall pick and grab Palmer? Then put Aaron Brooks back where he belongs....as a backup.?

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Absolutely not. A - the Texans will never give up the number 3 pick in the draft for Turley, unless we\'re throwing in additional picks.

B - Leftwich will be the better of the two NFL quarterbacks anyway.

C - Brooks WILL NEVER be benched as long as Haslett is in New Orleans.

D - Bouman seems like he may be Jake Delhomme-esque. This Finlen kid they signed from Northern IL also has a lot of similarities with Jake. With 4 quarterbacks on our roster and a HUGE set of needs on defense, I think trading up to select Carson Palmer might be the worst thing that the Saints could possibly do.

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If the Saints were to trade up into the top five, they better either grab Newman, Kennedy, or Suggs. If they were to draft Palmer, I would burn everything I own that is Saints related and start rooting for the Texans.

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I wouldn\'t take it that far Black and Blue, but I totally agree. We may as well walk to the podium and hand Tagliabue a card that says \"Can you just pick for us?\" if we select a QB with a 1st rounder.
It would be a supreme waste of time to draft a QB that high to use as a project. Our current QB is too young and talented to give upon yet. He puts up Pro Bowl numbers at times and if they can make him consistent, he will be one. He just needs a solid back up, healthy running back and a safety valve TE that can ctach and he\'ll be okay.

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The saints will be absolutely crazy to pick Carson Palmer. Aaron Brooks is a star on the rise. Everyone was happy with him the the 1st seven weeks and lookin at the superbowl. The Saints did make a poor choice of playing him while he was injured. Can you blame a player for not taking himself out while it is obvious the injury is hendering his abilities? If that is the case why not blame Deuce? They\'re too much blame AB is taking from saints fan. Stop lookin at the QB at fault. The main reason the saints didn\'t make the playoff is that they didn\'t have a solution for stoping the run. Do you think we would have made the playoffs if Culpepper didn\'t make the 2 point conversion or the off the bench running back for Cinn... didn\'t make last minute Td? I am telling ya\'ll it is the run defense that should shoulder all the blame.

The saint should pick up a DT if they make a trade with houston or pick Terrance Newman

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Rod - I agree completely about picking up Palmer. I also think that, like it or not, Brooks is the future of the franchise, as the coaching staff is grooming him to lead for a long time.

However, and I\'m sure I\'ll hear it from Saintfan for this but, Brooks is very much to blame. Yes, the defense played poorly. Yes Deuce was not as productive. But Brooks\' play tanked.

You see, the defense sucked all year. They allowed the two lowest point totals of the year in the last two games. They were not good by any means but that was nothing new. As for Deuce, in the ten games before he got hurt he averaged 21 carries for 95 yards and 0.9 TDs. In the five games he played after he got hurt, he carried an average of 24 times for 88 yards and 0.8 TDs. That means his output really only dropped by 7 yards and 1 TD out of every TEN games. That\'s not much to me. In fact, he had 3 100 yard games (actually one was 99 but we\'ll round if that\'s ok with you), and if you take out the Cinci game (when I think our line didn\'t block very well), his stats actaully got better.

On the flip side, Brooks averaged about 20/34 (57.5% completion percentage) for 245 yards and 1.9 TDs before he got hurt. In the five games after the injury, he was 13/30 (44% completion percentage) for 176 yards and 1.2 TDs. That means he completed 13.5% fewer passes for 70 fewer yards and almost one fewer scores per game. Now, if you had to name a single player whose play dropped off the most from average towards the end of the season, who would it be?

I acknowledge the fact that no one player can completely jeopardize a team\'s ability to win. The coaches are responsible. The defense is responsible. Every player is responsible. But Brooks is the MOST responsible, except maybe for Haslett, who didn\'t take Brooks out and put a capable backup in the game. Brooks\' play dropped off the most while playing at a position that probably most impacts a team. Let\'s not confuse things.

Wow, did I just open this can of worms back up or what?

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I miss Zook :casstet:

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Gator - one this one, I couldn\'t agree more.

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Ok...Whodat, I understand his statics dropped, however the guy was injured. Teams eventually study your habits and adjust there defense. Give the other teams defense credit however the saints still produce on offense. Some saints fans just got spoiled, seeing how well AB produce and when the guy is hurt ready to throw stones at a guy who produce better than any QB in a saints uniform. Yes, I said it BETTER look up the statics on that (remember this is only his third season as a starter). I am curious, blame this guy for what? Who would want a player that will play during a injury? If AB was not producing well enough for the team is it really his call to pull himself out? What about Deuce and Joe, these guys was hurt also and there statics dropped? I will want a player who became injured and still fought to be on the field. People might say he was scared he would have lost the starter position but that is ridiculous. The saints would had to swallow alot of cap money to put AB on the bench. I mean who want a guy that cost alot on the bench, cuz they would had to take a big hit if they trade him. Saint fans be happy you have a QB dedicated to be on the field. Like I asked before BLAME AB FOR WHAT?

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Gator, I\'m gonna have to agree with you as well. It all starts with the coaching, mainly the head coach. He is the main guy in charge and responsible for everything that happens with the team. Whether they win or lose, it\'s always a result of how the head coach does. It sucks, but that comes with the territory of being the main leader of the team. I think the main thing is that Haslett needs to find a way to motivate his players. In 2000, it seems like everyone on the team was having fun. The past two seasons that didn\'t seem so. They need to go back to having fun and playing football. Motivation can go a long way. To me, talent doesn\'t mean anything if you\'ve got a group of mediocre guys who are motivated to succeed.

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Rod - we\'ve already had this conversation and I really don\'t want to rehash it. Let me say that the coaches are to BLAME for not pulling Brooks. However, Deuce\'s and Horn\'s number didn\'t drop much when they were playing injured. Brooks\' plummeted. And yes, Aaron Brooks was scared he would lose his starting spot. The guy is a brat. He wants to be the center of attention. He wants to be THE man. That can\'t happen if you\'re on the bench. Plus, that is the worst attitude a quarterback could possibly have with this offense.

Now, let\'s not dwell on the past. We\'ll see what this guy can do next year. I\'ll admit that he has potential. With the money he\'s making and the way some fans talk about him, I won\'t be impressed unless he has a Pro Bowl season, and significantly reduces the number of mistakes he makes on the field. But that\'s just me.

I will say this. Look at the difference between Haslett and Herman Edwards. Both are young supposedly defensive minded coaches. In Edwards I see fire and dedication. Any one remember the \"You play to win the game\" press conference. Meanwhile, Haslett stands on the sidelines with a confused scowl and babbles about not knowing what went wrong and not understanding the fans \"down here.\"

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Jets. They are a young team with lots of young offensive talent and a new young QB with lots of potential. Personally, I will compare Haslett to Edwards probably more than any coach, b/c they are so similar. Somehow I doubt that Haslett will live up.

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Aghhhhhhhhh...I\'m a Saints fan. I need to slit my wrists. Is that most of what I just read cept using different words??

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pretty much

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Pretty sad state of affairs eh Pak? I can understand tho. Saints fans have been conditioned to expect to be let down. Life-long Saints fans know this better than anyone. Hell I admit it...I could prob count on 1 hand the number of times I KNEW we were coming back to win a game, etc, etc, etc. Oh I hoped A LOT. But my gut told me it just wasn\'t gonna happen...and most times it didn\'t. I go into every year hoping for the best but realisticly expecting to be watching the playoffs without my Saints or, at THE MOST the Saints getting into the playoffs and winning MAYBE 1 game. So it goes with this season. I fully expect my team to make a decent showing (even I said they\'d go 12-4 or 11-5). Make the playoffs. And not win the Super bowl. Sad of me to say that? Maybe, but being a life-long Saints fan that\'s how I think. Truth is, I\'d bet most Saints fan are pretty much the same way. They may yap it up at the office with friends and down the halls like I do about how the Saints are gonna do some serious a$$-whipping this week or that week, but deep inside the same thoughts of being let down haunt them.

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The Brooks problem is deeper than we may think. If he the the Saints future then the future is cloudy. I still can\'t get over how he walked off the field at Charlotte just before half time, I think its signs of some real problems , as the results of the late season colapse showed. Hey I know I\'ll get blasted for my opinion but that\'s the way I feel.

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u might be right jm but it doesnt matter brooks is the starter as well as he should be, he is by far the better qb, much better then delhomme who i am glad is gone so it will stop all these people from whining about delhomme not getting a chance, he got his chance to win the job every year in training camp, he didnt do it, so guess what, hes now an enemy with the panthers, so long jake and good riddence..... :mad:

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Billyh, you need a different perspective. Think of the Patriots two seasons ago. And, obviously, the Bucs this past season. The Saints are next. Brooks is an excellent quaterback. Very promising. I\'ve seen him do some terrific things. The defense is changing even now as I type. And our special teams will be even better with Mitch Berger booming folks deep into their own zone. And Michael Lewis? Forget about it.