RE: Put to Bed Offense or Defense
 

Wow!

You won me over.

So. It is better to not reach the playoffs.

It sucks to go to Conference Championship games and lose.

We are so much better off for having not gotten there.

I would feel so bad if the Saints actually went to the playoffs and lost.

Thanks for making me feel so much better about mediocrity.

I felt bad before but now I feel so much better.

:?:

RE: Put to Bed Offense or Defense
 

Apparently your first 58 posts here haven't taught you much about this site. LOL :)


The implication within this statement is, IMO, absurd. You're suggesting that AB and Peyton Manning are essentially equally talented, but that Manning's coach and minimal defensive improvement has catapulted him to break a number of long-standing records, some of which (like QB Rating for a season) were thought to be virtually unbreakable??? For BnB's sake, I will say no more.

Check your stats Chach. The Saints defense led the league in sacks in 2000 under Ron Zook. Overall they didn't rank incredibly, but I think they finished the year ranked between 11th-15th in most statistical categories, with noticeable exceptions - they were top ten in sacks and takeaways - translation: they were very opportunistic. This is the same defense that held "the greatest show on turf" to what? 7 points through 50 minutes of a playoff game.


On another issue, I don't understand this O v. D debate. Almost every good team has balance. That means that their offense and defense both perform well. Simply b/c a team is known for having a particularly strong unit is no indication that its other units are not good. Sure, Tampa Bay got to the playoffs a few years ago on the back of their defense. There is no question what their strength was. But go look at the game stats from the playoffs. They were scoring 30 points a game. Their offense was explosive late in the season and through the Super Bowl. The Rams got there thanks to the "greatest show on turf..." and a top 10 defense, which people casually forget.

As for the Saints, the team needs to improve on both sides of the ball. The defense looks tough in the secondary and obviously on the perimeter with Grant, Howard, and Smith. The question marks remain at LB (can the young players pick up where they left off last season and continue to improve?) and DT - who is going to step up and be the big body we need next to Young?

On offense, there is room for improvement at about every spot, but then again, the unit is coming off their worst finish in 5 years, and it was still 17 spots better ranked than the defense. It seems that, for the most part, the personnel is in place on that side of the ball. Now they just have to produce. Brooks needs to pick his game up. The o-line needs to gel. Deuce needs to stay healthy. The WRs need to show greater consistency and explosion. Someone, oh someone, has to step it up at TE.

But I don't understand where this great O v. D debate is coming from when it relates to the Saints. Isn't it clear what the problem has been the last few years? Isn't it clear now that both units need to improve?

Hmm, would I rather be a team that consistently makes the playoffs but loses most often to the Superbowl Champs on their homefield, or would I rather not make the playoffs in the last 4 years and have no shot at a Superbowl at all?

Would I rather a QB who just shattered the single season TD record even after not playing the last two games, or would I rather one who, well, we know the history? I fail to see how this article proved anything at all, except Peyton is a vastly better QB and can even consistently get his team into the playoffs with no D. Mediocrity is nothing to be celebrated.

lol, only stirs the pot more actually... how did it end the debate? Also... you have to draft the best talent available this day in age whether that be on OL or DE... Cap plays an issue so you snag what you can talent wise and work FA's.

Nice post WhoDat. I'm with you on all that.

I will also say, as respectfully as possible, that equating Peyton's success to the marginal improvement of the D is just not gonna fly any where. Peyton has the physical tools as well as the work ethic to maximize his already top-notch talent. Nobody watches more film, nobody is better prepared for a game.

The bottom line is if you put together a panel of experts and said "AB vs. Peyton...discuss" they would look at you blankly and say that there's not even anywhere to start. I mean really, this seems like an attempt to stir the pot. AB may have some of the physical tools to be in that discussion, but his football IQ is microscopic compared to Peyton's. Have you watched a Colt's game? This guy knows exactly what the D is doing at any given time. Imagine AB audibling and waving his hands around like that....it's kinda funny to think about. We can't even get the CALLED play in before the snap :)

Seriously....I call shenanigans on this thread.

Shenanigans? That's a very serious accusation my friend. But well warranted on this thread. Good call.

Ok, allow me. Manning, before the ball is even snapped, can easily audible three times, in the same time it would take AB to utter the words, "32 belly option on 2" :D

You're exactly right BlacknBlue. It is really amazing to watch whether you like the Colts/Manning or not. Their ability to get the snap off with 1 sec on the clock with minimal confusion is very impressive. Gotta throw some credit to the OC especially with edge back there thinking about what rare metal to put in his mouth next. But, the QB runs that show and it is offensive efficiency at its absolute peak.

Are you implying Black on Black , that a slight defensive improvement helped Manning become an elite qb ?????

Here is one for you Black on Black .

From the NFL site .

THE EARLY READ
As long as the Colts have Peyton Manning and the rest of one of the most explosive offenses the NFL has ever seen, they are going to own this division. They will again challenge for the AFC title, but success will only be achieved if they finally reach the Super Bowl. New England is ready to stand in the way once again, although the Patriots just might have suffered too many losses from their coaching staff and roster to prevent the Colts from taking that final step.

http://www.nfl.com/partners/aol/inde...AOL=1032156097

Alot of the success of stopping Peyton Manning has been attributed to the coaching in New England , with Crennel now in Cleveland it should be interesting to see if the Pats can stop Peyton .

Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently. :roll:

True, although I would be more inclined to give Manning a bit more credit. I think ScottyRo and I discussed this a while back. Watching Manning at the line of scrimmage, and the control he has over that offense is nothing short of amazing.

Think he will go after Drew Brees next ???

Why not? lol Maybe he can explain to me how the Tampa defense made Brian Griese in just 10 games be able to complete 69% of his passes for 2600 yards, 20Tds, and a 97 passer rating on an offense that was LEAGUES worse than ours. They had one receiver, who was a ROOKIE, although I was glad to see Clayton break out like that. So after hearing how the Colts defense saved Peyton's career, maybe we can hear how Tampa's defense helped Griese achieve these phenomenal stats, with a worse offense.

From what I understand, not only does Peyton control the offense, he has the freedom to call his own plays. How long has it been since a QB has had that kinda autonomy?

I believe my exact words were, "the Colts offensive coordinator has the easiest job in the NFL." ;)

10 years

LOL

In 2000 the Saints ranked 14th in Passing Yards allowed, and 10th in completions allowed. 10th in INTs, 10th in Passing TDs allowed, 10th in rushing yards allowed, 11th in total yards. The team was also in the top ten in takeaways and led the league in sacks. They sent Glover, Joe Johnson, and Keith Mitchell to the Pro Bowl, and I think that was the year that Clemons had 13.5 sacks and 100 tackles at OLB. Sammy Knight went on to the Pro Bowl the next season.

They did this against the Rams (twice - 1st in the league in passing, 2nd in rushing, 1st in scoring, and 1st in total offense), 49ers (twice - 2nd in passing, 5th in yards, 4th in TDs, 7th in rushing, and 4th in total Offense), Denver (2nd in passing yards, 2nd in rushing yards, 2nd in total offense), Oakland (1st in rushing yards, 6th in passing TDs, 7th in total offense), Philadelphia (4th in rushing yards, 12th in scoring in the passing game), Seattle, Detroit....

Half their games were played against top 10 offenses and teams with winning records. Yeah, they were slouches. Hopefully this season the D can shave off 20 yards a game and catapult Brooks to 40 TDs and a 125 QB Rating. Pass the crack rock please.

Maybe we are missing a two way player in Indy ??

Certainly it could be said that Warren Sapp helped out the offense .Of course that was from the tight end or tackle eligible position .

By the way WhoDat , No . I aint passin , I have been on this thread longer then you .