Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

TheOak · 11-20-2019, 02:43 PM

The New Orleans Saints handled their Week 11 game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with ease, but did so largely without second-year pass rusher Marcus Davenport. The starting defensive end played just 23 snaps against Tampa Bay, with backup Trey Hendrickson appearing on 34 plays. That’s obviously not the kind of disparity Saints fans would hope to see out of that duo.

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...venport-stats/

TheOak · 11-20-2019, 02:45 PM

In short talent utilization.

foreverfan · 11-20-2019, 08:20 PM

What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2019, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

No, a different player. Sounds like Dennis Allen wants Davenport in the same package as Rankin in running situations. This makes perfect sense with Allen's complex defense. Especially with the younger players. They can all master their role with veterans like Cam in there in all the situations.

K Major · 11-21-2019, 07:20 AM

Agree with AG's post ... and just to piggy back here.

For a 2nd year player, I don't find it troubling that TRex could be seen as a more "polished" pass rusher than MD. This year, Trey looks like a more formidable player against a heavy pass "attack", while Davenport is more versatile against a more balanced attack/run heavy.

Both are likely to improve. IMO we are in great shape with DL depth with allows a solid, stout rotation throughout the game & allows Coach Dennis to scheme to each players strengths.

When the playoffs start, this is an excellent situation to be in. See Philly D line rotation that won it all a couple of seasons ago.

spkb25 · 11-21-2019, 08:29 AM

Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running.

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2019, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running.

I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts).

His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games.

What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game?

spkb25 · 11-21-2019, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts).

His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games.

What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game?

Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date.

AsylumGuido · 11-21-2019, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date.

Glass half empty.

spkb25 · 11-21-2019, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Glass half empty.

When I look at facts I dont view them from either a half empty or half full viewpoint. I view the facts as is.

Glass half empty response is simply a distractor and honestly it is irrelevant. But you have to say that because it is all you have. When you dont have facts to support your position this is what you inevitably resort to.

You asked a question, I responded with facts. I'm sorry if you dont like them. At the end of the day every single fan wants him to be a pro bowler.

Have a nice day, thanks for the discussion.

11-20-2019, 02:43 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs The New Orleans Saints handled their Week 11 game with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with ease, but did so largely without second-year pass rusher Marcus Davenport. The starting defensive end played just 23 snaps against Tampa Bay, with backup Trey Hendrickson appearing on 34 plays. That’s obviously not the kind of disparity Saints fans would hope to see out of that duo. Read the rest: https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...venport-stats/

11-20-2019, 02:45 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs In short talent utilization. Crusader and SmashMouth like this.

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by foreverfan What are you saying Sean, Trey Hendrickson is a better player? No, a different player. Sounds like Dennis Allen wants Davenport in the same package as Rankin in running situations. This makes perfect sense with Allen's complex defense. Especially with the younger players. They can all master their role with veterans like Cam in there in all the situations. K Major likes this.

11-21-2019, 07:20 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Agree with AG's post ... and just to piggy back here. For a 2nd year player, I don't find it troubling that TRex could be seen as a more "polished" pass rusher than MD. This year, Trey looks like a more formidable player against a heavy pass "attack", while Davenport is more versatile against a more balanced attack/run heavy. Both are likely to improve. IMO we are in great shape with DL depth with allows a solid, stout rotation throughout the game & allows Coach Dennis to scheme to each players strengths. When the playoffs start, this is an excellent situation to be in. See Philly D line rotation that won it all a couple of seasons ago. 44Champs likes this.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running. Utah_Saint likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by spkb25 Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running. I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts). His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games. What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game?

11-21-2019, 10:56 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts). His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games. What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game? Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date.

11-21-2019, 11:03 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by spkb25 Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date. Glass half empty.

11-21-2019, 12:15 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Glass half empty. When I look at facts I dont view them from either a half empty or half full viewpoint. I view the facts as is. Glass half empty response is simply a distractor and honestly it is irrelevant. But you have to say that because it is all you have. When you dont have facts to support your position this is what you inevitably resort to. You asked a question, I responded with facts. I'm sorry if you dont like them. At the end of the day every single fan wants him to be a pro bowler. Have a nice day, thanks for the discussion.
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