Senior Bowl

K Major · 01-22-2020, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Tua?

That injury really scares me Smash.

Especially with a top pick. I'm proceeding with caution however I'd ultimately pass on Tua in the draft.

K Major · 01-22-2020, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I always watch the big uglies but besides a bull rush I don't know what to look for. I'll keep an eye on the QB's as well but it's hard to determine an NFL QB attributes besides a pretty ball.

This is true.

IIRC Josh Allen had some good and bad moments at the senior bowl however he's progressed well at the next level.

Crusader · 01-23-2020, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

This is true.

IIRC Josh Allen had some good and bad moments at the senior bowl however he's progressed well at the next level.

You can always look for the boneheaded stuff, the real head scratching desicions, balls that shouldn't have been thrown etc.

Crusader · 01-23-2020, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I always watch the big uglies but besides a bull rush I don't know what to look for.

Ability to keep leverage, balance. Hand placement, ability to Place themselves between the defender and the ball etc.

jeanpierre · 01-23-2020, 06:37 AM

Quarterback Scouting?

Well, first things you look for his what he physically measures? Some of these things can be problematic, but overcome - Drew Brees' height for example...

Second, is can he make all the throws consistently? If the out throw (intermediate distance to sideline) with zip (as to avoid pick-6) and the deep ball are not there forget it...

But touch as it's referred also has to be there; and that encompasses not only lobs to a RB for a screen but all passes that arrive to the receiver optimally so they have advantage for YAC...

Third, would be pocket presence and mobility, that symbiotic relationship with the offensive line to stay protected to allow for consistent throwing motion; being able to gash defenses upfield and keep them honest...

Fourth, and this is where Senior Bowls and QB camps are of another benefit, how quickly do they process and adapt; most teams are successful on their initial drives and then defenses adapt...

But how those QBs can counter-adapt and still have enough moves, throws, and maintain their composure can be gauged as the landscape of the game is constantly shifting underneath them...

Fifth, and this is the other opportunity the Senior Bowls and QB camps afford, how quickly does the leadership qualities show where that QB steps up and takes charge of men he barely knows...

A pet peeve where the NFL Combine falls short - every attendee should have time to interview with all 32 NFL franchises; with the financial resources available to the NFL, not having enough time is a BS excuse...

Football is all these folks do. It is their careers, livelihood. If the combines need to be longer, or expand the regional combines, do it. The NFL can market those events and increase profits to offset costs...

K Major · 01-23-2020, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

My buddy has press passes and we try to go to practice every year. After my rugby match Saturday we will be going to the game. I've been asked more than once if I'm a scout because I'm decked out in Saints gear.

Who should I keep an eye on? I'll be watching the wide receivers mostly.

Hey Rugs,

Utah State QB Jordan Love name is coming up quite a bit at Senior bowl practices. Saints will have to draft a QB either this year or next. Who knows ... let the guy "sit" for a year, then let's geaux!

Keep a lazy eye on him as well

.

Due Diligence.

Rugby Saint II · 01-23-2020, 01:05 PM

The practice has been moved inside and is closed to the public. Heavy rain at practice. My apologies. Great info though ya'll.

jeanpierre · 01-24-2020, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Hey Rugs,

Utah State QB Jordan Love name is coming up quite a bit at Senior bowl practices. Saints will have to draft a QB either this year or next. Who knows ... let the guy "sit" for a year, then let's geaux!

Keep a lazy eye on him as well .

Due Diligence.

Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play...

The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments...

AsylumGuido · 01-24-2020, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play...

The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments...

They can with a league issued therapeutic use exemption (TUE) which has to be renewed annually. The NFL doesn't disclose how many of the exemptions are issued, but major league baseball does and they had 111 active recently for Adderall alone.

K Major · 01-24-2020, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play...

The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments...

Golic and co were speaking about Jordan this morning.

Lack of talent around him in 2019 as compared to 18, accuracy issues etc.

Some scouts even made the comparison with Pat Mahommes (gunslinger mentality) w/Love ... and we know how Sean P felt about Pat coming out of the draft. If Andy didn't select him, he was coming to NO.

Utah St was clearly outmatched vs LSU last year but you saw some NFL throws from JL. IMO Love could be a real possibility for us.

Finding & drafting a franchise QB is so hard to do at the elite level.

01-22-2020, 12:05 PM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by SmashMouth Tua? That injury really scares me Smash. Especially with a top pick. I'm proceeding with caution however I'd ultimately pass on Tua in the draft. jeanpierre likes this.

01-22-2020, 12:08 PM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I always watch the big uglies but besides a bull rush I don't know what to look for. I'll keep an eye on the QB's as well but it's hard to determine an NFL QB attributes besides a pretty ball. This is true. IIRC Josh Allen had some good and bad moments at the senior bowl however he's progressed well at the next level.

01-23-2020, 03:04 AM	#13
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by K Major This is true. IIRC Josh Allen had some good and bad moments at the senior bowl however he's progressed well at the next level. You can always look for the boneheaded stuff, the real head scratching desicions, balls that shouldn't have been thrown etc. K Major likes this.

01-23-2020, 03:08 AM	#14
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I always watch the big uglies but besides a bull rush I don't know what to look for. Ability to keep leverage, balance. Hand placement, ability to Place themselves between the defender and the ball etc.

01-23-2020, 06:37 AM	#15
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Senior Bowl Quarterback Scouting? Well, first things you look for his what he physically measures? Some of these things can be problematic, but overcome - Drew Brees' height for example... Second, is can he make all the throws consistently? If the out throw (intermediate distance to sideline) with zip (as to avoid pick-6) and the deep ball are not there forget it... But touch as it's referred also has to be there; and that encompasses not only lobs to a RB for a screen but all passes that arrive to the receiver optimally so they have advantage for YAC... Third, would be pocket presence and mobility, that symbiotic relationship with the offensive line to stay protected to allow for consistent throwing motion; being able to gash defenses upfield and keep them honest... Fourth, and this is where Senior Bowls and QB camps are of another benefit, how quickly do they process and adapt; most teams are successful on their initial drives and then defenses adapt... But how those QBs can counter-adapt and still have enough moves, throws, and maintain their composure can be gauged as the landscape of the game is constantly shifting underneath them... Fifth, and this is the other opportunity the Senior Bowls and QB camps afford, how quickly does the leadership qualities show where that QB steps up and takes charge of men he barely knows... A pet peeve where the NFL Combine falls short - every attendee should have time to interview with all 32 NFL franchises; with the financial resources available to the NFL, not having enough time is a BS excuse... Football is all these folks do. It is their careers, livelihood. If the combines need to be longer, or expand the regional combines, do it. The NFL can market those events and increase profits to offset costs... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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01-23-2020, 10:41 AM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II My buddy has press passes and we try to go to practice every year. After my rugby match Saturday we will be going to the game. I've been asked more than once if I'm a scout because I'm decked out in Saints gear. Who should I keep an eye on? I'll be watching the wide receivers mostly. Hey Rugs, Utah State QB Jordan Love name is coming up quite a bit at Senior bowl practices. Saints will have to draft a QB either this year or next. Who knows ... let the guy "sit" for a year, then let's geaux! Keep a lazy eye on him as well . Due Diligence. jeanpierre likes this.

01-23-2020, 01:05 PM	#17
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Senior Bowl The practice has been moved inside and is closed to the public. Heavy rain at practice. My apologies. Great info though ya'll.

01-24-2020, 07:56 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by K Major Hey Rugs, Utah State QB Jordan Love name is coming up quite a bit at Senior bowl practices. Saints will have to draft a QB either this year or next. Who knows ... let the guy "sit" for a year, then let's geaux! Keep a lazy eye on him as well . Due Diligence. Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play... The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments...

01-24-2020, 08:07 AM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play... The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments... They can with a league issued therapeutic use exemption (TUE) which has to be renewed annually. The NFL doesn't disclose how many of the exemptions are issued, but major league baseball does and they had 111 active recently for Adderall alone.

01-24-2020, 08:17 AM	#20
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Senior Bowl Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jordan Love = Colin Kaepernick, and I'm not poking the political rattler, but rather the very extreme variances in consistent play... The next day and Love was missing all over the field; yes, he has the athleticism but apparently not focus, and as we learned with Kenny Vaccaro, you can't take meds for ADD or other failure-to-focus ailments... Golic and co were speaking about Jordan this morning. Lack of talent around him in 2019 as compared to 18, accuracy issues etc. Some scouts even made the comparison with Pat Mahommes (gunslinger mentality) w/Love ... and we know how Sean P felt about Pat coming out of the draft. If Andy didn't select him, he was coming to NO. Utah St was clearly outmatched vs LSU last year but you saw some NFL throws from JL. IMO Love could be a real possibility for us. Finding & drafting a franchise QB is so hard to do at the elite level.
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