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saintz08 08-08-2005 07:38 PM

PFW Report

Although Saints DT Johnathan Sullivan has slimmed down a bit to the 325-pound range, we’re told he hasn’t looked all that good in workouts and might not be all that helpful to the team this season.

New Orleans is thrilled with the play of QB Aaron Brooks in workouts, but the same can’t be said of backups Todd Bouman, Adrian McPherson and Kliff Kingsbury. Bouman has been shaky at best, and McPherson and Kingsbury seem to be in over their heads in their battle for the No. 3 QB spot.

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CB Mike McKenzie, who signed a new five-year, $22 million deal with the Saints last weekend, is known as being a surly guy, but the newfound riches seem to have changed his attitude. McKenzie has been laughing and joking with the fans in workouts recently, and he has been performing at a high level in practices. We hear the Saints’ coaching staff is counting on him to be a vocal leader in the secondary, an idea that he has taken to heart. McKenzie has never been a quiet guy, but he has been particularly active in encouraging teammates and leading by example. His presence should allow the Saints’ secondary to take a step forward. Head coach Jim Haslett has been very impressed with McKenzie’s play so far, and it appears the team will be building the defense around him. Sources say the team is excited that both the secondary and the defensive line can become strengths this season because the team has enjoyed some stability on “D,� returning 10 of 11 starters from last year.

CHACHING 08-08-2005 08:13 PM

RE: PFW Report
I'd be jokin' and smilin' too if I'd just signed a 22MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT!!!!
I think this group (defense) has the makings of a top 5 unit if they play with the same passion as the end of last year...........YAHERDME!!!

papz 08-08-2005 08:36 PM

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Cha-ching! He's taking that big smile right to the bank. He deserves it though... he'll be a solid contributor for our secondary for years to come. Wouldn't it be great if we actually sent a cornerback, yes CORNERBACK, to the ProBowl? Wait... have we ever sent a corner to the ProBowl?

I know Eric Allen made numerous ProBowls... but did he go with the Saints?

CHACHING 08-08-2005 09:07 PM

RE: PFW Report
tRAIDERS and Philly...I think....

WhoDat 08-09-2005 08:53 AM

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All I know is that this team has locked up a ton of young talent for years to come. Vets too. Think about this - these are the players sure to be on the team for at least the next three years or so, and/or are likely to make big strides:

Josh Bullocks, Dwight Smith, Mike McKenzie, Allen, Watson, Buckwoldt, Fincher, (and if Cie Grant keeps playing like he's been reported to have been, he'll be here too), Charles Grant, Will Smith, Green, Leisle, Jefferson, possibly Brian Young, Brown, Mayberry, Bentley (if we resign him soon, which I think we will), Holland, Stinchcomb, Hilton, Meier, Horn, Stallworth, Deuce, Karney, and if Talman Gardner keeps it up, he'll be here too. A couple of tackles (DT and LT) and this team is set for a while. If Brooks has a good year in 2005, his contract will be restructured and extended next year. There should be plenty of stability for a while. These guys will all get to play together for a long-time, especially in NFL FA terms.

Now, again, it all falls on Haslett to coach these guys up and make them the contenders that they should be. Hasn't happened yet - let's hope it finally does this year.

TheGambler 08-09-2005 11:43 AM


Good analysis.

I kinda think the Saints's window of opportunity is within the next 5 years, as far as this particular unit.

RockyMountainSaint 08-09-2005 01:07 PM


I kinda think the Saints's window of opportunity is within the next 5 years, as far as this particular unit.
Yeah. The Los Angeles Saints fans will enjoy their Super Bowl victories :wink: .
Sorry. I couldn't resist.

OMG! WhoDat is that optimism?

WhoDat 08-09-2005 02:15 PM

Optimism? No, it's realism. :)

Bottom line - in the last few offseasons, the Saints have actually signed a whole lot of young talent and key veterans to new contracts. That means that most of this group will be together for at least the next 3 years or so. As much as I've criticized Loomis in the past, it's hard to look at our roster right now, and our cap position, and not be happy. I mean, the Saints will likely go into next offseason with $20 million of cap space tied up in 3 players - Howard (8-ish), Brooks (7-ish), and Gandy (5-ish) - who could all but released or restructured. Meaning: you might see this exact team enter next offseason with $10 or $15 million in cap space, with essentially all of the key players back. That's real impressive. I have to give Loomis credit. I always knew he was a great cap guy, but the talent amassed on this team is the best it's ever been.

Again - that doesn't mean much unless these players can get their heads out of their arses and start playing up to potential, AND Haslett & company can learn how to coach. Without having seen a single snap, simply by looking at the talent on this team, it will be hard for me not to predict 9 to 10 wins out of this group. If you put Fox, Bellicheck, Fisher, etc. on this team as coach right now, I'd give them 12 wins. But with Haslett and company, 8-8 is always within our reach.

saintz08 08-09-2005 03:16 PM


Yeah. The Los Angeles Saints fans will enjoy their Super Bowl victories .
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
No No .

Teams only win Super Bowls when they move away from the Los Angeles area now .....

Saint_LB 08-09-2005 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by papz
Wait... have we ever sent a corner to the ProBowl?

Saint CB's to the ProBowl...

1967...Dave Whitsell

1987...Dave Waymer

1995...Eric Allen

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