Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

WhoDat!656 · 11-10-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Which state produces the most real Christmas trees? I have no doubt if you followed the trail (if they haven't already covered it up) you'll find where a group from that state got their rep to push this through with help from industry participants from other states. The rep, who is probably well aware of the idiocracy of such a thing, is more interested in getting this groups support than he/she is doing the right thing. This is political pork at it's finest...or at it's most maddening.

As someone who DOES NOT support Obama's politics I can promise you this isn't on him. This is the system as it has been corrupted by...well...the system, and "We, The People" are ultimately responsible for it. So I'm with you 100% Hulka. We, The People have been overlooking or otherwise allowing this kind of crap to continue until now it's a common practice that we (some/most) don't even bother to notice. We don't even blink an eye.

WE HAVE TO WAKE UP AND VOTE THOSE RESPONSIBLE OUT OF OFFICE! The vote is our ammunition. WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE ENOUGH VOTES TO MAKE A POINT.

A collective American voice would put a stop to this, but we're too busy worrying about getting free advertising for our Christmas Tree business from the government. The system is as the system does, if you'll forgive the Forrest Gump reference.

What do you mean. "... This isn't on him?"

It happened during "his" administration, so that makes it on him.

If Obama didn't approve/like/authorize, then he should have vetoed it!!

saintfan · 11-12-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

What do you mean. "... This isn't on him?"

It happened during "his" administration, so that makes it on him.

If Obama didn't approve/like/authorize, then he should have vetoed it!!

What do I mean? I mean this is politics as usual. This has been going on from the beginning of time. Blaming Obama for something like this is like blaming Vilma for an interception Drew throws because they both wear the same uniform.

The REAL blame here - those who are TRULY responsible for this particular piece of ignorance: THE PEOPLE. The people who pushed this from the beginning, and you can bet those people are Christmas Tree farmers, not politicians.

Do you think Obama really sat down and said, "you know, the government needs to promote real Christmas Trees." Of course you don't. Of course he didn't.

He's a politician. He's a vote whore. Blame HIM for THAT, but blame them ALL while you're at it. They, they politicians, are the devil that we know.

The special interest groups, concerned only with what benefits THEM...that's where the finger of blame should point here. There is no criteria for submitting this type of pork. It's akin to wasting a courts time by suing McDonalds because their coffee is too hot. It's a joke. It's absurd. And it's on the people, not the politicians, because the PEOPLE are empowered to change it and don't.

There should be some sort of benchmark required - some sort of criteria that any legislation like this should be required to meet before the politicians the people pay quite well spend 10 seconds of their time designing it and promoting it. It doesn't exist. If it were attempted, do you think the special interest groups (the people) would allow it to pass? The PEOPLE would surely revolt, because the PEOPLE are far more interested in protecting their special interests. Believe that.

That's the thing that's regularly missing from rants about politicians - mine included. Lately I've started looking in the mirror. We can blame the government up to a point. In the end, the constitution provides a number of methods to correct issues. The people have to be active. Frankly the people aren't very active. Typically passive in my humble opinion.

That's just my .02 on this one. I'm starting to think the hippies were on to something in '67.

11-10-2011, 08:15 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Originally Posted by saintfan Which state produces the most real Christmas trees? I have no doubt if you followed the trail (if they haven't already covered it up) you'll find where a group from that state got their rep to push this through with help from industry participants from other states. The rep, who is probably well aware of the idiocracy of such a thing, is more interested in getting this groups support than he/she is doing the right thing. This is political pork at it's finest...or at it's most maddening. As someone who DOES NOT support Obama's politics I can promise you this isn't on him. This is the system as it has been corrupted by...well...the system, and "We, The People" are ultimately responsible for it. So I'm with you 100% Hulka. We, The People have been overlooking or otherwise allowing this kind of crap to continue until now it's a common practice that we (some/most) don't even bother to notice. We don't even blink an eye. WE HAVE TO WAKE UP AND VOTE THOSE RESPONSIBLE OUT OF OFFICE! The vote is our ammunition. WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE ENOUGH VOTES TO MAKE A POINT. A collective American voice would put a stop to this, but we're too busy worrying about getting free advertising for our Christmas Tree business from the government. The system is as the system does, if you'll forgive the Forrest Gump reference. What do you mean. "... This isn't on him?" It happened during "his" administration, so that makes it on him. If Obama didn't approve/like/authorize, then he should have vetoed it!!

11-12-2011, 08:04 AM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 What do you mean. "... This isn't on him?" It happened during "his" administration, so that makes it on him. If Obama didn't approve/like/authorize, then he should have vetoed it!! What do I mean? I mean this is politics as usual. This has been going on from the beginning of time. Blaming Obama for something like this is like blaming Vilma for an interception Drew throws because they both wear the same uniform. The REAL blame here - those who are TRULY responsible for this particular piece of ignorance: THE PEOPLE. The people who pushed this from the beginning, and you can bet those people are Christmas Tree farmers, not politicians. Do you think Obama really sat down and said, "you know, the government needs to promote real Christmas Trees." Of course you don't. Of course he didn't. He's a politician. He's a vote whore. Blame HIM for THAT, but blame them ALL while you're at it. They, they politicians, are the devil that we know. The special interest groups, concerned only with what benefits THEM...that's where the finger of blame should point here. There is no criteria for submitting this type of pork. It's akin to wasting a courts time by suing McDonalds because their coffee is too hot. It's a joke. It's absurd. And it's on the people, not the politicians, because the PEOPLE are empowered to change it and don't. There should be some sort of benchmark required - some sort of criteria that any legislation like this should be required to meet before the politicians the people pay quite well spend 10 seconds of their time designing it and promoting it. It doesn't exist. If it were attempted, do you think the special interest groups (the people) would allow it to pass? The PEOPLE would surely revolt, because the PEOPLE are far more interested in protecting their special interests. Believe that. That's the thing that's regularly missing from rants about politicians - mine included. Lately I've started looking in the mirror. We can blame the government up to a point. In the end, the constitution provides a number of methods to correct issues. The people have to be active. Frankly the people aren't very active. Typically passive in my humble opinion. That's just my .02 on this one. I'm starting to think the hippies were on to something in '67. strato likes this.
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