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Losing Carl would be a huge, unexpected twist to the plot ... and just exactly the unpredictable type of screenwriting we've come to expect from these guys, good call!

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You know something? I thought the same thing about Andrea when I first saw her. I recognized her from something, but couldn't put my finger on where. It wasn't The Mist where I remember her from, though. It was the video game-turned-movie, Silent Hill. Decent flick, actually. It was the same for Dale. Could not put my finger on where I had seen him, because the beard was throwing me off. He was the prosecuting attorney at the beginning of The Shawshank Redemption and the older guard in The Green Mile. He was in The Mist and Storm of the Century, as well. It was well into Season 2 before I realized that. Carol was in The Mist, as welll. I'm a big believer in imdb.com when I'm at a loss on a character of something I am watching. Then, as I mentioned in another Walking Dead thread, there's Daryl who was in The Boondock Saints. He was the only person I knew in the entire show initially, just because that is my all-time favorite movie.

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Yeah i remember watching silent hill not long back and hearing her voice thinking who is that? Then holy crap its andrea lmao silent hill is a very decent film, the sequel....eh not so much
She plays the cop that gets turned a lil bit crispy for helping the supposed "witch"

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Incredible scene

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After watching the the last episode and the previews for next week here's what I think I would do if I decided not hightail it out of there.

The Governors group has unwisely chosen to cluster themselves into that small courtyard outside the steel door. This gives the prison group the perfect opportunity to even up the odds a little bit.

Hide on the roof above that metal door that the Guv's people were going to try to pry open and drop grenades and Molotov Cocktails down on them. Then retreat back into the prison. The grenades are going to injure or maim a good number of people and the fire is going really ruin their day. Remember that Merle took out 8 of the Guvs best fighters and Darryl knows this and will tell his people back at the prison.

If this isn't enough to cause them to retreat make sure that you use your knowledge of the prison to your advantage. Prepare a defense in depth with prepared fall back positions. Make every door a killing field. Grenades are great for trapping doors. Have firing positions near the next door so you can cause as much damage as possible before retreating through it and closing it behind you. Lather rinse repeat. make sure you have a bug out plan in case things aren't going your way.

If they're smart and decide to retreat after the first encounter be ready to get up on the roof quickly so you can pick off as many as possible while they try to drag/carry their wounded back with them. Remember that these people aren't trained soldiers (for the most part). Do enough damage and a lot of them will become born again pacifists.

Watch out for RPGs and that 50 cal. That could really ruin your day.

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This is the key here. Rick's group is small, but they are battle tested as far as shooting accuracy with the walkers. How many of the Governor's recruits can actually say that? Probably not many. The adversity that Rick and Co. face is when they are actually under heavy fire. Some of them have been privy to that, but not of this magnitude. It will be interesting to see how many of them thrive under the pressure or fold like a lawn chair.

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And the more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm leaning towards Morgan coming in to save the day.

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Think about this - The episode is called welcome to the tombs

The tombs being the lower levels on the prison that are crawling with walkers because no one ever cleared them

Could Rick and the prison group force Woodbury into a trap, by leading Woodbury's soldiers into the tombs and locking the exits

Crap load of walkers that woodbury's people could be lead right towards

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You could very well be right. If that happens, it kind of supports my idea of Rick's group using the Governor's own tactics against him. Same theory, different location.

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I don't know if a crowd of walkers is going to be that much of a threat to the WBs. They seem to know how handle them. But hey, every little bit helps.

If the Governor is smart (and ruthless) he'll send in the weaklings first. Use them to trip traps and take the brunt of the fire power. Keep your fighters alive for crunch time.

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Not a bad theory. I thought the previews showed a couple of the prison group in a car. Rick may be sending Carol, Hershel, his blonde daughter, Carl, and the baby out of harms way and have the fighters lure them into the tombs. Lock them in, walk away. Problem solved.

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There are some Walking Dead memes out there that are pretty funny. This is one that I couldn't stop laughing at:

Have You Seen Carl? - Meme Center

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... couple promos ... no "spoilers", but it looks like they're packing to leave the prison ... little Carl is starting to worry me, seems like he's heading towards psyching-out like dad (Rick) ... must run in the family.

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after all this lead up, they won't just escape in the night. I think the scene of packing up was just to make you think they're leaving the prison.

Expect a strategy to overcome the greater number of the WB people and the gov. will definitely die.

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According to AMC's Walking Dead page, 27 people are going to die tonight. Just a shot in the dark here, but I predict a lot of those will be the Governor's people. :p

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Was anyone else left confused, empty and somewhat disappointed by the finale?

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Disappointed definitely

I thought all this build up with meaningless episodes filled with anticipation would make for a blood bath of a season finale, man was I wrong

Theres about 3 minutes of action then all the governors guys retreat and he kills 25 of them

Andrea has been a pain in the ass for the last couple seasons so i was glad they got rid of her, her dying scene with michonne was well acted though

All in All, feel let down bearing in mind that last weeks episode with merle was probably the best since lori died and I thought it would pick up from there

Now the prison is over crowded with woodburys elderly day centre

Probably the only part i enjoyed was when Carl shot that young guy in the forest and he was handing his weapon over, he and rick are at serious odds now though

I hope season 4 is better, Season 3 episodes 1-8 I loved, last half of the season I felt were empty and just meaningless scenes put in to fill some time

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**Spoilers**

Well, it was what I expected and then it wasn't what I expected, so 'yeah', I guess I am confused. The first thought that occurred to me watching the finale was, "I heard it here first on B&G" as some of the predictions came to life, ie lure the Woodbury army into the Tombs, Rick sends half the group to safety & stays to defend the prison, Milton burning the walkers, et... Good job, group! :lol:.

WTF is up with the Governor?!?! That was certainly a twist I did not expect & I knew he was ruthless, but come on! I was left confused by him riding off with Martinez, WTH are they going?!?! I had the same confused, empty feeling at the end of Star Wars when Darth Vader went careening off into the galaxy, except I won't be buying a, "The Governor Lives" T-shirt, :lol:.

I've had it with Carl, that kid needs an intervention, IMO, or a good ass-kickin'. I don't like the direction they're taking his character, the young-mean-cold-assassin. If I were Rick, I'd sleep with one eye open, know what I mean? The teen years can be difficult enough without having to be in the zombie apocalypse, :lol:. Get the feeling he's gonna' have problems with the new additions to the group?

Beth finally put the baby down long enough to kill a walker (when Rick, Darryl, Michonne return with new Woodbury group), her first in the series, I believe. Carol was there with her machete too ... who was watching the baby? My predictions for Season 4? Beth is the "new Andrea" (or will it be Tyreese?) and Woodbury Karen hooks up with Rick and becomes the "new Lori". I still have hopes of Rick hooking up with Beth and causing a showdown between him & Carl, but this Karen resembles Lori too much for Rick to resist. Enough of the relationships already, this ain't "One Life to Live", eh?

"Goodbye Andrea, we hardly knew ya' ... ". Not really, she was one of the original characters & she somehow always grated on me, I was kinda' glad they finally killed her off, though I never expected her to go in that fashion. When they opened with the Governor punching someone in the face, I thought he was torturing Andrea ... poor Milton, I almost thought for a moment he wasn't going to 'turn'.

It wasn't bad, it'll be interesting to see how they bring the Governor back into the plot and how they're going to feed/house all the women & children from Woodbury ... and now that I think about it, Tyreese will probably take over where Andrea left off, :mrgreen:.

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What is funny, I actually posted on my Facebook status something similar to what I posted in here about feeling empty, confused and disappointed. However, I didn't explain why. I kept it very vague. Within two minutes, a dear friend of mine called me from Arizona to see if I was o.k. We laughed for about five minutes non-stop when I explained to her that it was about The Walking Dead.

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I was glad to see Andrea go. I'm not sure what it is about her character, but she irks me.

As far as the Governor goes, very simply one of his two lackeys needs to shoot him. In the chest.

He had all of the advantages over the prison folk in numbers and now, he just systematically destroyed all of his power.

It makes him a much weaker villain to take on. While he can still make trouble, I don't see a big confrontation in the near future Gov. simply won't have the resources to pull it off.

I'm hoping that season 4 doesn't turn into a soap opera about the prison Day Care/Elderly center. I like it much better when they are in a small group and travelling.

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I was a little disappointed in the season finale. Surprised they took all those people back to the prison. Why not just take over Woodbury?

Don't see Tyreese being the next Andrea. I thought they were trying to make her character the voice of reason, but, it never panned out. Maybe that's what they have in mind for him.

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I was thinking the same thing, "why not just move into Woodbury?". It's defensible, more comfortable, et... I suppose it's for security reasons, the prison is more defensible & I have to expect the Governor to be making another appearance down the road. In all these post-apocalypse type movies/books, there's always the one major bad-guy who becomes 'king-of-the-bad-guys' and forms a 'bad-guy' army. That's what the Gov. is doing now, recruiting. I see him evolving into a kind of a 'ToeCutter/Lord Humungus character from the Mad Max movies.

I'm not looking forward to next season so much and watching them form a new life in the prison with all those new mouths to feed & house. If the series is gonna' turn into some kind of social commentary, I'm out. I don't think I could handle a domesticated 'Darryl', I saw a little bit of him on 'Talking Dead' and he's just not the same person without the dirt on his face & the crossbow, :lol:.

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Glad to see Andrea go also, her character was certainly the most logical to knock off next from the main group.
Surprised they left the Governor character in limbo, expected him to meet his end.
Definitely a WTF moment with making the prison a community center, how are they gonna manage all those people.
Carl is turning into a little Psycho, was I crazy or did his gun actually have a silencer on it?
Overall the Season Finale gets a C, IMO.

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Definitely not crazy. I noticed that about his gun when they were clearing the prison yard in the first episode of season 3.

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Why one of the two guys the Gov. didn't slaughter didn't pop him while he had his back turned is beyond me.

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Allen could have easily done that before the governor shot him also.

I would have gone back to the prison also though. Rick knows the prison better and when the Gov. comes back you don't want to deal with him knowing your defenses (if back at Woodbury) better than you do.

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I honestly thought Martinez was going to do it after the Gov. gunned everyone down. He was standing there with a stunned look on his face and he had the perfect opportunity. He's gotta' be thinking never to turn his back on the Gov. and planning an exit strategy. 'Marty' can't be deep-down evil as the Gov. is & has to wind up back with the prison group.

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So my son calls me like 5x while I'm at work. I call him back, and he snidely informs me that he was at Atlanta DMV and Daryl would've chatted with me.. I saw Boondock Saints and still couldn't place him for some reason

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I read that the next season is going to habe more dangerous walkers. I'm looking forward to it! This season was too boring from the zombies

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AMC to Air


... it's the 'preseason' for Walking Dead fans ... time to get your game on, :mrgreen:.

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It's Fall/2013, time to wake the Dead,, :mrgreen:. Season opener is tomorrow, 9pm ... be there, or be square ... aloha.

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Avoided this thread until I saw season 3 on Netflix. I love this show.

I was sad to see Andrea go, she was hot.

Whats up with Carl and Beth? They've forshadowed something goin on, if you know what I mean.

And why not just attract all the walkers around the prison to the fence and drive a sword thru their skull? Keep the area clean.

I give season 3 a B-minus. Still one of the better shows on TV.

Now on to Supernatural season 8 and Fringe season whatever! I love Netflix.

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Thats kind of the premise of season 4 except the walkers arent spreading out anymore and are attacking in packs, therefore the prison gates will eventually crumble

Agreed with what you said about beth and carl, only thing i would add is there seems to be alot of anamosity brewing between carl and rick, beth kissed rick on the cheek and carl didnt look impressed lol

In my opinion, the second half of season 3 slightly let down an exciting first 8 episodes with drawn out episodes

However based on the trailer and some sneak peeks, season 4 looks like its going to be as good as season 2 was (my favourite), action packed and relentless

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*POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERTS*

Well, I was a little disappointed in the season premiere ... or maybe it was the Saints loss earlier that had me kind of "blah" ... but there seemed to be a little too much 'romance' going on ... even Darryl commented on it, :lol: ... everyone seemed to be pairing up and getting comfortable, blech! Hopefully it's just "affect" for the major carnage to come later on ... the walker's falling through the ceiling in the warehouse was a pretty good scene and Michon's search for the Governor is intriguing ... I'm still "in", :mrgreen:.

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I see what you're saying about the romance and all, but I just look at it as the group trying to live somewhat more normal lives as they possibly can. You could be on to something about this scenario adding more carnage later on. I could see more slip-ups happening later on that cause a lot of deaths within the group due to "feelings". I guess I wasn't too disappointed with the first episode, because of the excitement that the new season was finally beginning. It wasn't great, but I think it will get a lot better.

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The first episode was just "putting the various balls on the tee". I watched that crackhead after the show on the talking dead and they had a producer that said the season intensity gets cranked up real quick with the various story lines in the next few episodes.

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In the trailer, herschel is the voice over and he says "we just lost 12 of our own, 2 more were killed in cood blood"

The romance won't last long, next episode when that zombie kid is found it will all kick off i believe

I actually enjoyed the first episode, that woman that tried to kill rick was really messed up

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So what is everyone's thoughts, likes, or dislikes from Episode 2?

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Did they ever identify who was leaving the rats out by the fence? I thought it was the more loopy of the two daughters who Carol tried to coerce into killing their father before he 'turned', which I think Carol is getting a little loopy herself with her secretive story time/knife tactics-101 class for kids.

I'm (figuratively) getting a little too cooped up in that prison, especially now with the flu-like zombie symptoms floating around. It might be time to go back out on the road, IMO. Glad to see Rick stop farming and coming out of his funk somewhat.

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I dont think the prison will last for much longer to be honest slo, it was good to see Rick put the rake down and get his gunbelt out, back to good old walker killing rick

As for tyreeses missus being burnt at the end, wow.....just wow