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Draw your own conclusions.

Second gun in trunk could've been a second AR.

Internet gets dates wrong all the time.


I just can't get past the guy laughing when he doesn't know the camera is on him.... Or the ME not knowing the round caliber.

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Myself, and several members of my family have seen this video. It certainly raises immense suspension. On one hand, I hope dearly that it was all a hoax. On other hand, it is beyond disturbing to think that anyone would use kids in an elaborate scheme, to push an agenda. But without saying whether we believe this is true, or just another conspiracy theory, you can't look at all of the bizarre behavior, lack of urgency by the paramedics, and those memorial pages being made before December 14th without wondering if something very sinister is going on.

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Think that bad... 911 was an inside job too. No doubt in my mind.

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For what purpose?

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Greed. Plain and simple. The "big money machine" profits TREMENDOUSLY off of war. The motive is for the wealthier countries to take out the current regimes of smaller countries such as Iraq (Saddam) and Libya (Gaddafi) because they can control who gets put into office next and then use them as their puppets to also control any assets the country may have such as oil. I'm not saying these dictators were good people and they were given a bad wrap by media, but they didn't conform to the want of more territorial power that is brought on by England and the United States. Since we've been allies with England, the US has been involved in too many conflicts overseas where we didn't belong in the first place. It's all about being the big boys on the block and having the less fortunate countries kneel out their feet. When they don't comply, they get dealt with by force. They use any means possible to go to war with these countries. The US is guilty of it from the staged sinking of the Lusitania to get into WWI. The same can be said about the attack on Pearl Harbor. I don't beleive FDR was involved in it, because the British loyalists in the US wanted him out. However, there were people that knew it was going to happen and they just let it. 9-11 was no different. The greatest tragedy of our lifetime occurred so that the US could use it as a means to oust Saddam and gain control over their natural resources. Cha-ching. More profit for the elite. They are using our military personnel as a blood sacrifice to achieve more wealth and power with no remorse of the lives lost as long as they gain it. The New World Order is moving fast to control the world population, so they think with an "event" such as Sandy Hook will cause an outrage in the eyes of American people to support gun control. Those that are pro-gun and stand up against the government will automatically become the enemy. We are on the brink of something major in this country and this world, and whatever it is, it is not good.

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Well DIU... you certainly have been paying attention. Tell the sleeping masses. :givemebeer:


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I have definitely had an awakening. I try to spread the word on a daily basis, because I am sickened by what this country has become. The sad thing is that people like you and me are in the minority when it comes to this. Trying to get people to see the truth is like trying to push an elephant through a gopher hole.

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Yep, LOL

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Prove it.
Which big money machines?

What natural resources have we gained control over?
What wealth and power has been gained by The United States?


The United States gained absolutely nothing from 9/11, The Gulf War of 91', nor the present war in the middle east.

We have no more control of any natural Resources domestically or abroad, the wars have driven us to near bankruptcy.

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You make the point but are missing all of the pieces.

That's just it... we don't profit... but the Federal Reserve who prints the money from nothing and charges the American Taxpayer the interest certainly have a lot to gain. In fact, both parties in the USA is all about creating debt. This is why nothing the Congress does makes sense. You are expected to believe that they are just stupid... but they know exactly what they are doing and are easily bought and paid for every time they run for re-election. The power that be never change and they have control of the Federal Government. PERIOD. :mad:

Ask yourself this simple question... how can housing interest rates by 3.5% for 30 years when inflation is much higher and the economy is doing terrible. Would you take a CD for 30 years at 3.5%? Only when you can create money that doesn't actually exist can you do that. Problem is... you can by anything and anyone. This has already been done. You have the illusion of choice.

Take a break from football...

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Which big money machines? The Federal Reserve, The European Central Bank, and the Bank of England. Also, the special interest groups and non-military companies that are responsible for supplying war materials benefit from gaining access to these natural resources. On the surface, or what you are told, it seems as if the United States isn't benefiting from any of this, but in truth, they are. At least, the big corporations and the elite are. They just lead you to believe it is all about taking care of the enemy, when in all actuality, we have no business being over there in the first place. It's just the greed for more money, power, and world dominance that drives these entities to continue senseless wars by any means necessary.

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The federal Reserve didn't start whole sale huge "printing money" until Obama took office.

As far as for the "need" to be over there, I whole heartedly disagree. I was there, I saw first hand what Saddam did to Kuwait.

I suppose you believe that leaving our Enemys strong at their home doesn't enable them to wage war on our soil.


Which special interest groups and non military companies gained access to Iraqi or Kuwaiti oil?

You are gravely mistaken on a few of your opinions.

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I will reiterate something you said to me in a previous post: prove it. Prove that I am mistaken. Show me your "facts". Show me that no one has profited. Show me that the elite isn't the machine that is behind striking up these wars. I'll be holding my breath until you can prove it.

No need to. You just proved it for me.

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I proved what? That you're one of the sheep? Yep. Sure did.

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I will take from your reply that you wish to take this conversation to the dark side?


Wana get all derogatory and stuff...

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What? Getting snippy because I asked you the same question? I asked for proof and you couldn't produce. Do your own research into it. I did. Don't expect anyone to do the work for you. If you want to know the answers to your questions, take the time out of your day that you would normally be spending with condescending replies and do your own research. It isn't up to me to make you believe it. It's up to you whether you want to believe it or not.

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Boy have you really chosen the wrong person for your accusations.

I am going to assume you have yet to see who the original poster of this thread and the Sandy Hook conspiracy video is. Apparently you research before you accuse...


FYI, in regards to Iraq and Kuwaiti... I do not need to do any research.

I was there brother.

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1. I know exactly who the original poster of this thread was, and it amazes me that someone that posts this can't see more through the BS that was 9-11.

2. Just because you brought up Sandy Hook doesn't keep you from being one of the sheep if you think that there aren't other government cover-ups or having major roles in other things like 9-11.

3. I thank you for your service, but the whole "I was there" argument is tired. I've heard it from many. As much as I support the military, servicemen are nothing but pawns for the the government to use as a blood sacrifice for their own corrupt gain. It has very little to do with getting rid of the bad guys and policing the world. I know, because I was a pawn once, too.

4. I never once mentioned Iraq and Kuwait. You brought that up. All I said was that it was still none of our business to be over there anyway or any other overseas conflict that doesn't directly concern us. That's MY opinion. Whether you were there or not has no bearing on what I think.

5. As far as a country like Iraq gaining strength to try and attack us on our own soil, what do you think it is that makes them want to do that? Think about that one long and hard before you answer.

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I didn't serve my country for thanks, praise, medals, discounts on car insurance, or college money.

The "I was there" comment has nothing to do with your assumption. I was merely pointing out I do not need to watch the news, read a blog, or have secondhand information spoon fed to me by a third party. I saw with my own eyes the reasons we were there. It is fairly obvious that what I know has zero bearing on what you think.

When you learn how to debate questions and issues like an adult and can refrain from emotional liberal assumptions and accusations we can continue.

Until then you may want to leave the conspiracy area and venture into the political section of these forums. My beliefs are very well documented about how I feel about our government.

The typical liberal response when asked to furnish proof is to attack the person asking for more information. I am not sure why you feel you need to be so defensive, I was inviting you to prove me wrong. Proving me wrong requires hard fact and not theory... its just the way I am wired. Your personality leads me to believe you are an ideolog, you once believed everything you heard from group, now you believe everything you hear from a different group. The truth rarely lays with one group or the other but rather somewhere in between. You have not seen the naked light, you are just looking through a different lens.

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Pot and kettle. I invited you to do the same, yet you haven't done it yet. Oh, but it is I who just spews what I hear from one group or another. You saw with your eyes...yadda, yadda, yadda. I've heard from several other troops that were there and they believe the exact way that I do in that we had no business being over there. It wasn't our fight. Americans getting killed for a no-win situation just like Vietnam. So are you going to blast them for their opinion, too? Just because you "were there" and "saw it with your own eyes" doesn't mean you were given the full story of why you were there in the first place. Look at Desert Storm. Who was President then? George H.W. Bush, am I right? A man who was in a "not-so-secret society" in college that is to groom elitists for the future...and what they are groomed for aren't for the good of Americans, I can assure you. Who was the President during 9-11? His friggen' son who was a member of the same society! Elitist control is the name of their game. It's not to benefit their countries. It's to benefit their personal bank accounts and the bank accounts of their elitist cohorts. They could care less about the well-being of their own nation and who gets hurt or killed along the way. They are out for themselves.

As far as me being liberal, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's probably the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. I won't even respond to that, because I'm still too busy laughing.

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Oak... you're right within your context and lets stop calling each other names. We're all on the same side.

Still, the war actually started when we actually invaded Iraq. This war cost a fortune and we wouldn't have went in without 911. The war machine made money but so did the banksters who printed the money from nothing and charged the American Taxpayer the interest. That's what they do.

Remember, Inflation didn't exist before the Federal Reserve in 1933. Today the result is OBAMA is a puppet for the powers that be or the New World Order/Cabal. Sadly you were a pawn in their game. It's about creating DEBT and POWER. It's not about being Rep or Dem. Once you understand that everything starts to make sense again.

I know waking up is hard and painful. It will give you a headache. It's not easy to believe everything you've been taught is wrong. There's a reason they call it TV programming. The United States have been taken over by the powerful elite and has become a great evil in the world. It makes me sick that our forefathers gave so much to see it turn out like this.

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My eyes were opened somewhat when I visited Korea. I was informed that their country was over 5000 years old. It was then that I compared them to us...a country not even 250 years old...and I realized that we are just in our infancy. Anything can happen if we are not careful and it appears to be happening.

It's like D and FF were saying. This country is being taken over by the elitists and they don't give one rat's butt what happens after they get rich. I am pretty sure that all of their American money was converted to gold a long time ago.

They see this country as nothing more than a platform for them to accumulate wealth and where the pieces fall is of no concern to them.

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In regards to the first tree paragraphs, you cant find any where in these forums that I have said "I believe what comes out of Washington". I actually state quite the opposite many times. That war started when Iraq invaded Kuwait, then stopped short of Baghdad because the UN Security council only gave authorization for the liberation of Kuwait.... This is why we stopped short of Baghdad.


I watched the video in its entirety and fully understand the views of all of those soldiers. Those are the accounts and feelings of a dozen or so veterans, there are another 250+ thousand that do not feel that exact way. I also noticed the age range that they all fall into. The same happens after any war. War is death and destruction, and not everyone that becomes a soldier is mentally equipped to deal with what they will do after they do it. veterans of War have to live the rest of their lives with the guilt of what they did, guilt is mighty powerful and can cause irrational behavior, thoughts, and actions.

That being said, to take a snapshot of the war in Iraq does not do justice to the cause that it was a part of. Much like taking a snapshot of the Revolutionary war does not do justice to the cause in its entirety.

On August 2nd of 1990 the armies of Iraq invaded the peaceful country of Kuwait. If you need the reasons and what transpired you can read below.
Invasion of Kuwait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So while some Americans and a great % of the rest of the world say that the US went to Kuwait to steal oil and natural resources it is not the case. The truth is that Saddam invaded Kuwait to gain their natural resources and we prevented that. To this day Kuwait still has control of their own natural resources.
Operation Desert-Storm Chronology: Important Events...

The city of Kuwait was decimated. I saw this first hand. Key military points were not selected and attacked... The entire city was decimated.

Testimony of the barbarianism of Iraqi soldiers on innocents. Read it in its entirety, it discounts many allegations that were drummed up as propaganda but also points out that some of what was said to have happened in fact did. Iraqi soldiers DID in fact target hospitals, etc...
Nayirah (testimony) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have personally seen the remnants of blown out hospitals, civilian apartments, immigration offices, sections of highways littered with pock marks from bullets and rockets, street lights cut down by small to medium arms.

The driver and person responsible for everything that happened in Kuwait was Saddam Hussein. Lets also not forget what was learned about his sons Uday and Qusay and what they did to their own Iraqi people.

Uday Allegations of crimes:
Uday Hussein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qusay and what was alleged he did to his own Shiite people
Qusay Hussein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegations against Saddam, while the links to him and Alqueida are contested, no one contests what he did to Kuwait or his own people.
Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Number of victims" section
"According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 290,000[10] to over 600,000,[11] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[12] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 25,000 to 280,000.[13][11][14] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]"
Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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On the whole WMD issue. This is the question to ask your self. How do YOU define Weapons of Mass Destruction?

In my honest opinion WMD is not solely nuclear... It is what we trained for in the military. NBC (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical). As defined radiological or "dirty bombs" are also included but to me that falls into Nuclear for the sake of argument.

So YES Saddam did have them before the Gulf War, he has used them before the Gulf War... some times on his own people.
Chemical Weapons Recovered

"On June 21, 2006 the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of a small number of degraded chemical munitions in Iraq. The report stated that "Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent." However, all are thought to be pre-Gulf War munitions.[115]
These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction, according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. "These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee. The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, though agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said.[116]"
Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I believe in the right of all humans to be able to pursue freedom and happiness. To say that the United States should not use its power and might to help that cause, and should just mind its own business... really flies in the face of what we stand for. If company X makes a profit as an unintended result of our efforts then that is just what it is, an unintended consequence.

Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and he, his sons, his entire administration and regime needed to be eradicated. Were innocent civilians killed in the process, yes. Those deaths fall on him and ever Iraqi citizen that ever supported him and what he stood for.

There is NO justification to strapping bombs to women and children. EVER.

I could care less if the framing was not entirely accurate. Soldiers were not used as pawns for profit, they were a tool used to remove evil from this earth.

In closing, do I believe that certain entity's profited from the war? YES
Do I believe profit was the motive for everything from the start of the liberation of Kuwait until the end of the war in Iraq? No

One side believes that what we have done is truly 100% justified, the other side believes that nothing we have done is justified. As I have stated before, reality is some where in between, and while the framing of our actions might not always be accurate the result is justified.

The men and women that comprise our US Military also believe in the right of humans to be able to pursue freedom and happiness. That is WHY they join the military. To tell them all that they are just pawns of some solely for profit conspiracy is an insult, it makes them out to be mercenaries, and I caution anyone that thinks about doing that to their faces.

The whole 9/11, Afghanistan, Binladen thing is another discussion. The actions of George H. W. Bush have little to do with the actions of George W. Bush and Barrack Obama with the exception that W. did what his father should have been allowed to do.


FYI, I served under George H. W. Bush, participated in the liberation of Kuwait and am not proud of what I had to do, but I am very proud of what the out some was. Giving the Kuwaiti people back its country.

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I agree. Korea is a product of no system of checks and balances. It is a country where the people have no choice in who rules over them.

The American people seem to be blind to history and hell bent on repeating it. They stand in line to sell their vote.

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No offense... but it looks like you bought their entire story. Wow. ;)

Listen, I don't want to sound ungrateful to you for serving our country. Believe me, I have nothing but respect for the guys and gals that serve this country. Thanks for putting your two cents into this thread. It is much appreciated.

I really choose to look at this from two different points of view. That way you get the entire 3D vision of what really happened. Do you thing the Vietnam vets who are still alive today still look at that war in the same context in which it was presented 40 years ago? History will tell.

:saintsfan:

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No offense taken, don't thank me.. :D

"looks" means, that's your perception. :idea:


As I have stated... The entire "I was there" thing has nothing to do with serving or trying to say that because I am a veteran you should believe what I say. The "I was there" is meant to attest to what I have seen first hand and it is not a "story I have bought into". So unlike blogs and news correspondents giving you second or third hand information, I am giving first hand information.

Let me tell you about the Desert, one good sand storm and the entire topographic changes. Removing and covering traces, impressions, everything... In the desert outside of Vegas there are body's, items that will NEVER be found.

In the deserts of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, there are entire military complexes that can not been seen from satellite or aircraft. When the sand is 117F heat scanning technology shows no variation.


Some things you stumble upon, some things you do not. 30+ aircraft. The Mig-25 Foxbat stopped being made in 1982, the US had been scanning for WMD factories for many years and never say an aircraft hanger with 30+ planes.
Buried MiG-25 Foxbat Jet - Neatorama
Aerospaceweb.org | Aircraft Museum - MiG-25 'Foxbat' Pictures


Only found due to a tip in 2005 two years after the war and searching started.
1st LAR finds weapons cache in underground bunker > 2nd Marine Division > News Article Display

This is not a trumped up government made story. You know as well as I do, that people from that area of the world do not like the US enough to follow along with a story for our benefit. Saddam used Chemical Weapons (WMD) on his own people in 1988.... How is it so impossible that he had nothing at all in 2003?

He found a soul and abandoned his chemical weapons only to invade Kuwait?
Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As far as for our allies in the Middle East or the planet... Saddam was supported by America for a while... That is historic knowledge.

I saw with my own eyes Russian T-72 tanks
Bags of rice (50 lb bulk bags) - From Jordan. Yes jordan who we still are an ally of, and recently tried to help.

I suppose someone is going to tell me the oil well fires that were started by Iraq's Republican Guard is all propaganda? The black soot that I breathed for 4 months was an apparition? Or setting wells on fire and burning hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil a day was profitable for someone?

Naahh brother. What went down in 1991 in Kuwait and portions of Iraq was real and just. What has gone down since then is anyone's guess.

Vietnam was a different story. Our military was never allowed to succeed or achieve. it was actually prevented due to political reasons. So in that respect I agree with you.

Here is something for anyone to reflect on people say soldiers are pawns in a profit based organization. They are called sheep for doing the job their employer tells them to do because their employer is only out to profit....

So I ask, what do you do for a living?

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Oak... I'm not doubting anything about 1991 in Kuwait. The problem was going back and finishing the job. I have a hard time believing that just because the UN didn't authorize us that we actually listened to that.

So the question becomes, why did we feel the need to go back? 911? WMD? Proper defense of the country? Maybe... Maybe Not. I don't put anything past the Powers that Be" who run levels that are much higher than the President and the Congress. Can you tell me that you don't believe that this country has been taken over by evil forces that don't make sense to the common person and doesn't represent him?

Face it... the only place to get "REAL" information is the Internet. Still, I think you will agree that anybody can say anything so who do you believe? So many things get call conspiracy theories, so people won't look into actual lies presented by the media. Don't get caught in that trap.

I love this guy. Meet Mr. Gerald Celente.

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Keep in mind one very important item that was different between the two.

George H.W. Bush did not go against UN authorizations.
I am not a "huge" fan of H.W. Bush He declined an offer from the Emirate of Kuwait to pay each soldier that participated in the liberation of his country.. H.W. said no - we are not mercenaries.... but you will not find that anywhere in the news.

George W. Bush didn't care.

As for the reasons W. went back into Baghdad? As I said before, the result was a just one, Saddam.. his sons, his evil empire are no longer gassing and raping their own people..

If you want my best guess as to why W. went back in after Saddam? W. and H.W. Bush never really got along very well, W. has spent his life trying to gain daddy's approval... I think he went back into Iraq to finish what his father couldn't to gain some sort of approval from his father. But that's just me.


As for as global currency there are a few reasons that nations are doing things to devalue the US Dollar.

1. Oil is traded on the dollar... No other currency. And regardless of what many people may think, None of the Chevrons, Exons, BP's control the price of oil... The US Government does not control the price of oil. The price of oil is controlled by OPEC by simply opening or closing the spigot a little. Supply and demand, every now and then you'll hear of the US pleading with OPEC to open production or close it a little because of prices.

As far as for the member of OPEC: Look at who they are and you may understand why we have some of the allies we do. Look at their production rates and understand that while some say we back certain countries because of oil they never finish the sentence.

YES we DO back and ally with some countries because of oil.. (rest of the sentence) not out of greed but because they have the power to cripple our economy if we are not perceived as friendlies.

OPEC : Member Countries
Oil - production - Country Comparison

2. US is a global economic super power. Who wouldn't want to devalue that fact a little?

As far as for the price of gasoline.... People try and correlate the price of gas to the price of a barrel of oil. It is not a direct correlation.

This guys site is the best I have ever seen for breaking things down... I have worked in the O&G industry for 17 years hand in hand with most of the major service companies like Halliburton and Schlumberger along with the major operators like Shell, Exxon, BP, etc...


What a barrel of crude oil produces
Oil Industry Statistics from Gibson Consulting - oil barrels

What your $/gallon of gasoline goes to
HowStuffWorks "Gas Price Breakdown"

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Here is where conspiracy theorist get into trouble.

The Lusitania was sunk on 7 May 1915, but the US didn't declare war on Germany until April 6th, 1917!!! Almost 2 years AFTER the sinking.

By contrast, Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7th, 1941, and the US declared war on Japan, on December 8th, 1941.

The US had a much better reason to declare war on Japan, and it occurred almost 4 years BEFORE the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor!

The USS Panay, a gunboat in the US Asiatic fleet, was bombed and strafed by Japanese military aircraft, resulting in the sinking of the Panay, the death of 3 US Navy personel, with 43 more sailors injuried and 5 civilians wounded.

The Japanese government said the pilots didn't see the American flag painted on the ships deck OR the American flags being flown.

But U.S. Navy cryptographers had intercepted and decrypted traffic relating to the attacking planes which clearly indicated that they were under orders during the attack, and that it had not been a mistake of any kind — thus suggesting that it was the type of unauthorized action known by the classical Japanese term Gekokujō. This was not released for the obvious secrecy reasons.

So, if the US wanted to go to war to create jobs and end the Great Depression, which the government created AND made worse, why didn't they jump at this ready-made reason?

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Not enough margin?:D


Historians and theorists rarely agree LOL.

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Excellent reply. However, you are missing some very important information. Yes, the US didn't declare war on Germany until almost two years after the sinking of the Lusitania. You are correct on that part. The US was "neutral" at the beginning of WWI. What you neglected to mention was that it sped up the US' entry in the war. You also failed to mention that in 2008, divers discovered about 4 million rounds of .303 ammunition on board the Lusitania. The US was a lot more involved in WWI than it led on to be, but they were considered "neutral? Is it coincidence that the British Army used .303's for the British Lee-Enfeld and those rounds were found on the vessel 93 years later? Doubt it.

Sinking of the Lusitania

New Clues In Lusitania's Sinking : NPR

As far as the Panay, you are dead on about that, too. However, you forgot to mention who really pulled the strings and still pulls them to this day...the Federal Reserve. The FR was started in 1913 and the US was conveniently in a world war four years later. (See above for the "coincidence" of the ammunition found on the Lusitania). The Fed used every dirty tactic imaginable to get the US involved in the war for their OWN GREED, but the Panay sinking was just a minor incident They wanted something on a grander scale, and they surely got it with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Read this excerpt from 1933. It is from Congressman Louis T. McFadden and his stance on ridding the US of the Federal Reserve:

The Federal Reserve: An Astounding Exposure 1934

Also, think about one person who was highly involved in the Wall Street banking industry and a "go-to guy" for the Federal Reserve during this time and leading into WWII. Prescott Bush. Ring a bell? The last name definitely should, because he is the father of George H.W. Bush and the grandfather of....well, you get the point. Prescott Bush was funding the Nazis! He was also a member of the Skull and Bones and his son and grandson followed in his footsteps. Now answer me this. If an elite American banker (and later Senator) was funding our enemy, why on Earth is it so hard to fathom that his son and grandson would not be behind an agenda that did the same thing during their Presidential terms, or in H.W.'s case, his involvement with the C.I.A (which is another one of the most corrupt institutions known to man)? Why is there a huge possible linkage to George H.W. Bush and the Kennedy assassination? It's because that entire family is part of the corrupt elitist movement and they do not give two damns about the people that get slaughtered while they are on their way to the bank.

Now check out this article about Prescott Bush:

Fleshing Out Skull & Bones, Chapter 17: Prescott Bush, the Union Banking Corporation and The Story

Your turn.

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"If" we are going to start finishing sentences.


You say 4 million rounds were found on the Lusitania...GB was our ally, Countries support their allies in a time of war/need. It represents 0.4% of the total amount of .303 ammunition Britain purchased from Remington. During World War I British factories alone produced 7,000,000,000 rounds of .303 ammunition. Factories in other countries added greatly to this total.

There are many reasons why the US would go to war, the Lusitania was what turned American opinion against Germany. Another is the presence of German Subs along the US East Coast. The ONE straw that sealed the deal and brought us into WWI was the Zimmerman Telegram in 1917. A Germany funded war with Mexico.
Zimmermann Telegram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The two years between the Lusitania and America entering WWI is the reason that theory has been declared MYTH.



Perhaps because Nazi Germany existed between 1933 and 1945 and H.W. Bush was 20 years old and George W. Bush was not alive to support Nazi's. So Nazi Germany did not exist during their terms. :p

In 1963 when Kennedy was assassinated H.W. Bush was running a Drilling Company in Midland Texas and had not entered into politics. H.W. was not affiliated with the CIA until 1976. 13 years after Kennedy was assassinated.

As far as the Skull and Bones. now you are drawing a link between George W. Bush, Paul Giamatti, William Hamilton, Brian Dowling, Francis Cooke, and John Kerry...

Past President, actor, Cartoonist, NFL Football player, composer, Senator.. I fail to see the connections other being members of the same frat.

Associative guilt is not fact and crimes of the grandfather are not punishable by the grandson. Too many conclusions drawn with faint dotted lines and no substance.

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Conspiracy theorist arent going to let a little thing like FACTS get in the way!!

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I find it amazing that people are quick to point out the supposed conspiracy to get the US into WWI & WWII, but they rarely mention the Tonkin Gulf Incident which got the US into the Vietnam War!!

There are a lot of people that claim that the Vietnemese PT boats did not attack the US destroyers that were in the Tonkin Gulf, to which LBJ then ordered the PT bases be attacked in retaliation.

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If the shoe fits...