Swap picks with Titans
 

Hey Guys,

What do you think about trading down one pick in the draft with the Titans assuming The Texans draft Reggie Bush as expected. I can tell you, it is absolutely crazy in Houston about who they will pick. But, I think if they pass on Young, we will be in a unique position. There will be plenty of calls to move the pick, but if we are set on Lienhart, why not put the Titans together for some extra picks.

Bud Adams would love to stick it to the texans.

If we trade one pick with the Titans, assuming they would even entertain this, what would be the benefit? I think if they have the chance, they will take Leinart, with his former OC at USC being their OC. Or they may not go QB at all, considering McNair just re-did his deal to stay, or was about to, and they have a more than capable backup in Volek. I just don't see where moving one spot benefits either team. Are you assuming they want Young more than Leinart? Could be, but I am sure they won't be pissed if they got either.

I think the Titans are eye young, if they think we will pass on young they won't make the trade when they can get him at 3. I think its more likely that we trade with Oakland so they can get there boy Leinart.

what would be the point of trading down one pick. What do you think they would give up to move up one spot. A seventh round pick... Why would the even do that? If they want a quarterback they will atleast get one. Texas will choose bush so that leaves Lienart or Young. We can only choose one so that leaves the other. The only thing that might spart such a ridiculous trade would be if Houston pics Young. But then that would leave Bush and Lienart. Either one of those would be good as a left over.
Soooooooo my point is this is a stupid question.

We've been having this debate forever now and the last time this came up is that there was speculation that the Titans might be interested in trading Volek and a third rounder to get Leinart and it's not only me with that speculation, there are a couple of other mock drafts out that that had the same scenario at one time. Chow would love to get Leinart as his QB of the future, just remember you heard it hear first.

cher, cat trust me volek nobody is putting a deal together to get someone that probably will be released anyway. and i'll say again why would any saintfan in there right mine want the team to waste anything even a draft position on a qb, that his own team has made it obvious they don't want him starting for them??? as you've heard rumors so have i, poor decision making, holds onto the ball too long, can't feel the rush? this sounds like a winner for us.

I'd like to trade with Jets, get an extra 2nd, get Brick in the first, two LB's in the second, unless someone falls majorly... maybe even trade our 2nd pick down to pick up more.... Whats the record for most picks in a draft?

Ok, I'll play with ya for a few. If Volek is crap why haven't they already cut him? Why were the Titans so set on getting a first round pick for him last year? Obviously someone thinks he has skills or they would have taken a second or even a third for him? Right?

I woulda giving Brooks and Devery for Bennett and Volek, maybe more, just because how well they did 2 years ago lol.

i like the saints to swap with the jets, who are more desparate for a qb than the titans.

The way I see it...it always helps to have an "awesome" qb but its not always the answer. Look at Marino...best ever...no rings. Look at Kelly...4 chances...no rings. Look at Peyton....argueably best in the league.....still no rings. Now look at Trent Dilfer....he's got a ring. Why? Because that Ravens team was a complete team. A defense that destroyed everyone and an offense that was good enough to score. All this talk about 2nd pick and leinart.....HUMBUG!! Lets get what we need!!! Hell I think Cutler will get the job done just as good...if we trade down a few spots for him.....we get a good QB and a chance for some extra talent. I'm gonna have to agree....we should swap with Tenn. Lets get more picks and still get talent.

you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D

I think trading Down with the Jets would be a good idea. We don't even have a 3rd round pick this year. If the FO can take the trade down and pick some extra early round picks to bolster the line and the D then do it. One player will not change the course of this team. But a good influx of two or three WILL

i think it would be lunacy for the titans to trade down 1 pick, but hey crazier things have happened in the draft.

even if the titans did offer the saints this scenario, i would have to decline. some of you on here think i am crazy, but i think leinart is leaps and bounds better than any other qb in this draft.

No sh**. But teams still don't win when their offense (led by example by a guy like Aaron Brooks) leading the NFL in turnovers. We can argue the "defense wins championships" thing all day long, because it has a lot of truth. But most successful teams that win Super Bowls have QBs that don't suck, unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense. (i.e. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc. etc.)

I can prove you wrong with one name, and the bad thing about it is it's a local product. Jake Delhomme is ahead of brooks in the turnover making. he's been among the nfl worsts at turning it over since he got behind center... i.e. carolina wins, ravens win, tampa wins etc with sucky qb's.

winwin,
you are leaving out an important equation in this. delhomme had difficulties during the regular seaons, but when it came to the playoffs he was on the money. dilfer was not asked to win games, just not lose them. i would hardly call brad johnson a sucky qb when he was with tampa bay, but you go ahead.

This from the guy who has said no less than 10 times Leinart lost the Rose Bowl, oh, but Reggie Bush didn't. :roll:

The Jets are not trading up for a QB. It is a franchise RB or OL, they want. I see them trading down before up then a QB will be in the mix.
The titans are in need of a QB though so trading up is a very good possibility. All depends on the Texans.
If they go Bush Titans will sit pat. If it is young then they will move as will the Jets.
The raiders are the team that i believe are sitting best to shake up the draft. This could be were AB comes in. He will be used to get a higher pick on day one surround the third pick given up.
As much as i hate to say it "Collins and Payton have a working relationship together" so i would not be surprised to see him in black and gold. It does make sense to get a QB who understands your system. That leaves you to groom the rest of team. I still want Quinn next year.

I hope Benson isn't senile enough to forget the troubles that Collins caused (were in) while here the first time and snuffs any deal for him. Collins isn't the answer, and I doubt we'll get a trade for AB, though there might be a couple teams (re: Baltimore, Cleveland, Chicago) that might take a chance so they don't have to fight in a bidding war. But more than a third rounder and we'd be lucky.

Collins sucks yes but Payton got the most out him and he will be okay till the QB of the future is ready. besides he will be cheaper. the main point is he would not have to learn paytons system and that would free payton up to work with everyone else. I still think bringing in the more F/A the better that know payton so he can groom thier replacements. If you do not we will suck even worse next year.

I believe if you Draft a first round QB, you should start him. It's a risk, but it does also payoff at times. I wouldn't mind a FA as a backup, or competing for the starting job. I just wouldn't want him to start all year. I'd go so far as to say no more than four games, then let our new guy take the reins.

Houston = Reggie Bush
Saints = Matt Leinart
Titans = Vince young

if that were to hold true, we'd get the worse of the 3 picks. "clapping my heels 3 times" there's no place like home. vince young come home to new orleans baby.

You just can't help yourself, huh? Let's just look at their stats the last 2 years.

2004:

Brooks- 3810 yds., 21 TDs, 16 INTs, 79.5 QB Rtg.
Delhomme-3886 yds., 29 TDs, 15 INTs, 87.3 QB Rtg.

2005:

Brooks-2882 yds., 13 TDs, 17 INTs, 70.0 QB Rtg.
Delhomme-3421 yds., 24 TDs, 16 INTs, 88.1 QB Rtg.


So let's see: Delhomme has thrown for more yards, more TDs, less INTs, & has held a better QB rating than "Fumbles the Clown", but he's ahead of Brooks in turnover making? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

what part of turnover king didn't you get about the statement? why didn't you include the year before those 2? where delfumble led the nfl....delhomme is one of the nfl leaders in turnovers has always been since he was given a starting position, just as bad as brooks and at times worse! can't handle the truth then tough chit!

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What truth? Are those stats I posted lies? My my, all the stat sites are wrong. :roll:

I'm sorry. You are right & all the rest of us who know Delhomme was a better, smarter QB than "Fumbles the Clown" are wrong. It's pointless to even have this argument w/ you. :roll:

you just don't get it, do you?? we were strictly discussing turnovers. nothing else, which qb's lead in turnovers in the nfl?

what does td's come into play?? ooOOoh i forgot, it comes into play when someone is trying to make excuses for delhomme...forgive me.

I (sadly) have to back up Winwin. Jake has had more fumbles than AB over the last three years. And more Ints. I used three years because thats the number of years BOTH have been full time starters. Though the fumbles are just that, not who recovered them so total turnovers might be less.

AB: Ints: 8 + 16 + 17 = 41
Fum: 14 + 13 + 4 = 31

JD: Ints: 16 + 15 + 16 = 47
Fum: 15 + 12 + 12 = 37

That puts Aaron at 75 total (possible) turnovers and Jake at 84. Nine more turnovers in only two more games is tough for anyone to argue as better. And Aaron only having 4 fumbles in 13 games would remove the "fumbles the clown" moniker. I don't want AB to stay, but show the guy some respect, he did win us our ONLY playoff win.

All turnover stats are from NFL.com player profiles.

He will never lose the title of "Fumbles the Clown."
I noticed we all forgot Brooks' 2001 & 2002 stats, so here they are:

'01- 26 TDs, 22 INTs, 13 fumbles
'02- 27 TDs, 15 INTs, 11 fumbles

Not that Jake is not turnover prone, but Brooks is a human turnover machine. And most of Brooks' turnovers come at clutch times. :( :(
Jake Delhomme is no Pro Bowl QB (don't get me wrong), but if you had the choice between Delhomme or Brooks, which would you chose? :?: :?:

gandhi1007, as I said in my post. I only counted the past three year because they were both starters over those three years. I was trying to compare apples to apples (as it were).

True dat. Good post, too BJSim. LOL :lol: