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AsylumGuido 02-01-2022 03:43 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-01-2022 03:44 PM
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Holy crap! This is going to get really ugly.

MatthewT 02-01-2022 03:46 PM
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Safe to say he is no longer a candidate for the Saints job.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2022 03:46 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-01-2022 03:51 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-01-2022 04:19 PM
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SaintGnome 02-01-2022 05:38 PM
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Maybe this will lead to real change. The Rooney Rule did some good early but clearly it's just a formality these days. Shame, if we didn't go with DA I would have been OK with Flores.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 08:57 AM
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As I have said all along, if you are trying to fix games in the NFL it will eventually come to light. Too many people involved to keep it a secret.

Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach

Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2022, 8:56 AM EST

Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores alleges Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss during the 2019 season in order to ensure the team would wind up with the first overall pick and former Browns coach Hue Jackson made similar allegations in response to Flores’ lawsuit going public on Tuesday.

Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “ trust me it was a good number ” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss. Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling, went 1-31 over his first two seasons with the Browns and was fired after a 2-5-1 start in 2018.

In another tweet, the executive director of Jackson ’s foundation Kimberley Diemert said they had records that would support Flores’ case and wrote that Jackson and team executives Sashi Brown , Paul DePodesta, and Andrew Berry — who is now the team’s General Manager — were paid bonus money to tank in 2016 and 2017. Jackson replied by saying he “can back up every word I’m saying.”

Flores’ suit was filed as a class action, which leaves room for others to join the litigation. Jackson’s comments suggest he’d be willing to do that.

K Major 02-02-2022 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943540)
99.9 % of coaches put in 17+ hours of daily work, sleeping in their offices, time away from family ... the grind & your owner wants to pay you 6 figures for throwing games? If this is accurate, wow the Dolphins owner ain't s***.

That's a slap in the face to a Head Coach.

stickman 02-02-2022 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943597)
As I have said all along, if you are trying to fix games in the NFL it will eventually come to light. Too many people involved to keep it a secret.

Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach

Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2022, 8:56 AM EST

Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores alleges Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss during the 2019 season in order to ensure the team would wind up with the first overall pick and former Browns coach Hue Jackson made similar allegations in response to Flores’ lawsuit going public on Tuesday.

Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “ trust me it was a good number ” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss. Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling, went 1-31 over his first two seasons with the Browns and was fired after a 2-5-1 start in 2018.

In another tweet, the executive director of Jackson ’s foundation Kimberley Diemert said they had records that would support Flores’ case and wrote that Jackson and team executives Sashi Brown , Paul DePodesta, and Andrew Berry — who is now the team’s General Manager — were paid bonus money to tank in 2016 and 2017. Jackson replied by saying he “can back up every word I’m saying.”

Flores’ suit was filed as a class action, which leaves room for others to join the litigation. Jackson’s comments suggest he’d be willing to do that.

This is bad. Tanking is one thing, paying your coach extra to lose is another.

Could fans of those teams sue? I mean if you paid money being led to believe that the team was trying to win when it actually wasn't, it that some type of fraud?

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 943603)
This is bad. Tanking is one thing, paying your coach extra to lose is another.

Could fans of those teams sue? I mean if you paid money being led to believe that the team was trying to win when it actually wasn't, it that some type of fraud?
They can sue, but proving the losing was a direct result would be extremely difficult. Regardless, both of these owners may have just forfeited their ownership rights. They can be forced to sell just like what happened in Carolina with Jerry Richardson.

stickman 02-02-2022 09:39 AM
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They can sue, but proving the losing was a direct result would be extremely difficult. Regardless, both of these owners may have just forfeited their ownership rights. They can be forced to sell just like what happened in Carolina with Jerry Richardson.
I'm sure they will try to spin it as they were trying to take a step back so they could take two steps forward, but still... to deceive your fan base like that is not good.

You would think the league would HAVE to do something or they look like they are okay with teams losing on purporse.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 09:45 AM
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AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 943606)
I'm sure they will try to spin it as they were trying to take a step back so they could take two steps forward, but still... to deceive your fan base like that is not good.

You would think the league would HAVE to do something or they look like they are okay with teams losing on purporse.
The Constitution and Bylaws of the NFL has a section that addresses this type of violation under Article VIII on page 34. It deals with exchanging of money for controlling or game fixing and such.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 10:20 AM
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AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 10:32 AM
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vpheughan 02-02-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 943603)
This is bad. Tanking is one thing, paying your coach extra to lose is another.

Could fans of those teams sue? I mean if you paid money being led to believe that the team was trying to win when it actually wasn't, it that some type of fraud?


The NFL is a private business so it is entirely legal for it to pre-determine the outcome of its games, just as the WWE does. Ultimately, it need be no different than a scripted television series or movie.

vpheughan 02-02-2022 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943605)
They can sue, but proving the losing was a direct result would be extremely difficult. Regardless, both of these owners may have just forfeited their ownership rights. They can be forced to sell just like what happened in Carolina with Jerry Richardson.
Jul 9, 2018: Jerry Richardson, who put the Panthers up for sale after alleged confidential payouts for workplace misconduct, including sexual harassment and use of a racial slur sparked an investigation into the team's workplace by the league.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 12:27 PM
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LOL!

AsylumGuido 02-02-2022 01:16 PM
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A link to a great thread that covers the 58 page lawsuit in detail!

Boston Saint 02-02-2022 01:50 PM
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Breaking news: based upon the misconduct demonstrated by the Miami Dolphins Organization, Roger Goodelle as acting NFL commissioner is going to take away two first round draft picks of the New Orleans Saints

According to Goodelle “Bill Belichick’s role in this is under further review as well. It’s entirely possible, as this investigation continues, that further draft selections and fines will be taken away from the Saints do to his actions while coach of the Patriots”.

SaintGnome 02-02-2022 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 943606)
I'm sure they will try to spin it as they were trying to take a step back so they could take two steps forward, but still... to deceive your fan base like that is not good.

You would think the league would HAVE to do something or they look like they are okay with teams losing on purporse.
This isn't exactly new to pro sports, there's a reason that the top picks in the NBA are decided by lottery instead of record.

RailBoss 02-02-2022 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943640)
Breaking news: based upon the misconduct demonstrated by the Miami Dolphins Organization, Roger Goodelle as acting NFL commissioner is going to take away two first round draft picks of the New Orleans Saints

According to Goodelle “Bill Belichick’s role in this is under further review as well. It’s entirely possible, as this investigation continues, that further draft selections and fines will be taken away from the Saints do to his actions while coach of the Patriots”.
As crazy as that spins, if RG could get away with it he would.

AsylumGuido 02-04-2022 08:38 AM
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AsylumGuido 04-07-2022 04:18 PM
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This one is real blatant.


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