McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract
 

For the second time this offseason, former NFL quarterback Donovan McNabb has weighed in on a current NFL quarterback’s contract. And for the second time, McNabb has expressed his disapproval.

In March, McNabb said Tony Romo isn’t worth the money the Cowboys have agreed to pay him. Now McNabb has weighed in on Matthew Stafford’s new contract with the Lions, and once again McNabb believes the team is overpaying.

“It’s about wins and losses again,” McNabb said on NFL Network, via MLive.com. “Now, as a quarterback and as Matt Stafford, hey, I would take that contract just like Tony Romo took his contract. But is he worth top 5 money? I would have to say no. And I say that because it’s about wins and losses. What has he really done for the Detroit Lions? Nothing.”

When McNabb says it’s “about wins and losses,” however, he seems to miss a fundamental point about the Lions’ decision to sign Stafford to a new five-year deal: Detroit isn’t paying Stafford to reward him for past wins. Detroit is paying Stafford because it believes he can lead the team to future wins. And given that Stafford only turned 25 this year and hasn’t even reached his prime yet, there’s a pretty good chance that the Lions’ calculation will turn out to be correct.

There’s also the reality that the Lions chose Stafford with the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft, back in the days before the rookie wage scale, when highly drafted rookies got enormous contracts. That 2009 contract was so huge his new contract will actually reduce what he would have cost the Lions over the next three years. This deal might not have been a great one under ordinary circumstances, but the top picks of the last few years before the rookie wage scale was implemented really aren’t negotiating contracts under ordinary circumstances.

McNabb may be right that what Stafford has done to date hasn’t been enough to earn the five-year, $76.5 million contract he just signed. But it wasn’t a bad deal for the Lions.

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Comments are hillarious... here is a sample.

somekat says:
Jul 10, 2013 3:43 PM
McNabb hasn’t earned a microphone. Please take it from him.


LOL

McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract
 

Can't wait to read SloMotion's thoughts on this one!!

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For the second time this offseason, former NFL quarterback Donovan McNabb has weighed in on a current NFL quarterback’s contract. And for the second time, McNabb has expressed his disapproval.

In March, McNabb said Tony Romo isn’t worth the money the Cowboys have agreed to pay him. Now McNabb has weighed in on Matthew Stafford’s new contract with the Lions, and once again McNabb believes the team is overpaying.

“It’s about wins and losses again,” McNabb said on NFL Network, via MLive.com. “Now, as a quarterback and as Matt Stafford, hey, I would take that contract just like Tony Romo took his contract. But is he worth top 5 money? I would have to say no. And I say that because it’s about wins and losses. What has he really done for the Detroit Lions? Nothing.”

When McNabb says it’s “about wins and losses,” however, he seems to miss a fundamental point about the Lions’ decision to sign Stafford to a new five-year deal: Detroit isn’t paying Stafford to reward him for past wins. Detroit is paying Stafford because it believes he can lead the team to future wins. And given that Stafford only turned 25 this year and hasn’t even reached his prime yet, there’s a pretty good chance that the Lions’ calculation will turn out to be correct.

There’s also the reality that the Lions chose Stafford with the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft, back in the days before the rookie wage scale, when highly drafted rookies got enormous contracts. That 2009 contract was so huge his new contract will actually reduce what he would have cost the Lions over the next three years. This deal might not have been a great one under ordinary circumstances, but the top picks of the last few years before the rookie wage scale was implemented really aren’t negotiating contracts under ordinary circumstances.

McNabb may be right that what Stafford has done to date hasn’t been enough to earn the five-year, $76.5 million contract he just signed. But it wasn’t a bad deal for the Lions.

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What is it with McNabb? Maybe NFL Network isn't paying him enough?

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Maybe Rush was right! We must remind ourselves that this is the same man that said he didn't know the NFL had an OT rule!

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Mcnabb doesn't like any QB.... he always has something negative to say ... You mad Bro ? ? ?

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When he signed his rookie contract, he didn't "earn" it either. Stafford has a lot of talent and has a good amount of success in the league. It's not always what you have done but what could do and be expected to do.

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Who is this guy? :rofl: ... "you're killing me, Donovan!

Ok, now that we got that out of the way ... is it top 5 money? I did not realize that in today's market where pretty much every new contract goes there and is more money then I'll ever make, :mrgreen:. I'll entertain the fact that Stafford hasn't won anything, but it sounds more like sour grapes on McNabb's part.

From my perspective, it's just another example of the business savvy the Lions' ownership has employed over the years & is a "win-win", which doesn't necessarily translate into winning on the field, but it wins in the board room, :mrgreen:. Stafford gets his money, the team locks him up and reduces his future hit on the cap.

He's arguably the best QB Detroit has had since Bobby Layne ('57) and has certainly displayed the talent and ability to get the job done. "Mattford" may not be worth a top-five salary around the league, but he certainly rates it in Detroit, and other then Brees, Brady, Rogers (and maybe a Manning or two), there's no other QB in the league I'd rather have taking snaps on Sunday ... including the "other Matt", :lol:.

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Donovan = Employment Envy.

That being said

1-23 That is Stafford's career record against teams with winning records. I know some do not like stats but that is a glaring set of numbers.

Is Matthew Stafford being overpaid by Detroit Lions? - NFL.com

Staffords extension was done for only 1 reason... Salary Cap relief. His cap hit for 2013 is #2 in the entire league and he is a 15-16 talent at best.

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Matthew Stafford is worth what Detriot is willing to pay him...
Bottom line is if Detriot ouldn't of paid him someone else would of. Good QB's are hard to come by and I think Stafford is a good QB.

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McNabb is such a moronic douchecanoe! Stafford is great, sure it helps him to have Megatron to throw to, but thats his only WR and they have no running game. Most every win they get is thanks to the guy so he is Worth pretty much every penny they are willing to give him.

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It doesn't come down to wins and losses when your line is horrible, you have no running game, one wide receiver, no defense, and a losing culture already established. The boy throws his share of picks, and isn't exceptionally accurate, but if Flacco and Romo got all that money he should too. Stafford is the best thing that franchise has ever seen at QB.

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My memory may be fuzzy, but I've always wondered about the reports and rumors that his teammates didn't like or respect him.

It may be coming into focus now.

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Did you read my post? He didn't get all that money, he got some taken away through extension.

His contract had bigger cap hits than Brees.

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Yeah, my barber throws that one out there when he wants to yank my chain, :lol:. It is what it is and many a dubious stat can be compiled on the Lions. Methinks Stafford has at least a 50/50 chance of ending his career as one of those talented individuals who never won it all, sans Marino.

I have never heard that, honestly ... I need a reference before I'll bite on that one, :mrgreen:.

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I used that for two reasons.

1. Just WOW
2. Some players are called good just because they are "winners".

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Like Flacco? Hmmm, I think you may have just given me the comeback I need ... I usually just call my barber a "prison barber" and tell him to be quiet, :lol:.

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Flacco maybe.... More a ref to Tebow

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Cant say I have any issues with this deal.
Look at the Ravens and Fkacco they took a risk leaving his contract and are paying the price now.If thet can get the team to settle down he will be a good QB and well worth the money being paid.They ciuld easily make the playoffs and with just a win or two in the playoffs you'd be looking at much bigger numbers.
Its a risk byt one well worth taking.
Nithing worse than scrambling aroubd fir a replacement QB.
The likes of the Jets, Buccs would have offered him a good contract in a couole of years had they not extended.
Close to 13000 yards and 80TDs in 45 games.Needs to cut back on the interceptions but he will always be a high risk high reward player and playing catch up every week doesnt help.


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WOW, 1-23, now that speaks volumes, that is surprising.

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Yeah, but the Lions as a whole have a history of struggling to beat teams with better than .500 records, so I don't put that all on Mattford.

He's put them in position to win and they've blown it plenty of times. He's also engineered enough 4Qtr comebacks/game-winning drives in the only two complete seasons he's had to be respectable.

By no means am I handing him the keys-to-the-kingdom as we oft see the misguided fanbase of another NFC South franchise that trots out "the other Matt" every Sunday, but I'm telling you, Stafford is a 'gamer' and that boy is worth every penny of that contract, :mrgreen:.

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I also like Stafford. I see a lot of game in him, barring injury I think he will be one of the best to play qb. in a long time. It's funny how people hype up the RG3's type players, but I don't think they will have the longevity because of their style of play like Stafford will.

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God it is like listening to a cry baby. I remember when Rush made those comments and Donovan came back and said I thought we were past that. As he got older and a little worse he started bringing up (funny it equated to what Rush said just the opposite direction) how he never got a shot from the media because he's black.

He is either bitter or trying to get his name out there because he is irrelevant. Either way just go away Donovan. Your time is gone.

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McNabb hasn’t earned a microphone. Please take it from him. LOL

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McNabb needs to review tape and with a heavy emphasis on "Black Like Me".

Then start watching "Kelly and Michael"...

Final assignment, learn from Michael Irving's serious preparation for his induction into the HOF.

He should learn his skin color doesn't dictate how people feel about him...
He should learn Michael S is fun to watch because he is a fun guy...try to seriously count all the negative laced comments of Michael.
(lesson - positive attitude and positive interactions)
He should learn from Michael I - you are never to old to change and work on self improvement.

If this all fails, call Tony D for counseling.

Chad (Ocho) learned it from a judge...

My opinion

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Nah, I didn't. I was more so responding to McNabbs comments. You saying he doesn't deserve the money?

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The money taken from him?

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Hold on Oak, I'm lost right now. Lol.

I think Stafford deserved the contract and McNabb just sounds like a hater.

Are you saying they're taking money away from Stafford?

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To be fair, if anyone would know about not earning their contracts, it would be McNabb.

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I'm not really a numbers guy and focus more on the fact that they've locked up their franchise QB for five more years, but here goes:

Original contract = 6yr, $72mil ($41.7mil guaranteed).

This contract raised some eyebrows when it was signed back in 2009. With cap hits of $20.8mil for 2013 and $19.8 for 2014, it was really a 4yr contract as the Lions were relying on restructuring the contract or dumping Stafford based on his peformance. There was never any intention of taking those cap hits in 2013/2014.

New contract/extension = 3yr ext. worth $53mil ($41.7mil guaranteed), signing bonus of $27.5mil for a new five yr deal worth $76.5mil.

- Stafford got $41.7mil guaranteed in his first contract, which I will assume he has received, and has hypothetically gave up the remaining $30.3mil in order to restructure.

- He received a $27.5mil signing bonus, another $41.7mil guaranteed and a new five year deal worth $4.5 million more than his original 6yr deal.

I don't see it, Stafford either came out basically even or a cool couple million ahead ... and besides, what's a couple million among friends, eh? :mrgreen:.

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Stafford's extension was not given to him because he did or didn't deserve it..... It was given to him because the Lions needed cap relief.

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Stafford pay 2013 under rookie contract: 12.5M salary + 4.6 misc bonuses = 17.4M
Stafford pay for 2013 under contract extension: 4M salary + 8.3 misc bonus = 12.3M
5.1 M loss


Stafford pay 2014 under rookie contract: 11M salary + 4.8 misc bonuses = 15.8M
Stafford pay for 2014 under contract extension: 2M salary + 8 misc bonus = 10M

5.8M loss

Stafford pay 2015 under rookie contract: 15M salary + 2.2 misc bonuses = 17.2M
Stafford pay for 2015 under contract extension: 9.5 salary + 2.2 misc bonus = 11.7M

5.5M loss


17M value was lost from his original contract between 2013-2015

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Yeah, but that's hypothetical money that was recouped under the $27.5mil signing bonus, IMO anyway ... plus he gets another 3yrs in Detroit, which you really can't place a monetary value on, :lol:.

These contracts make my head hurt ...

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Well at least he is better value than Flacco.Be interesting to see what numbers Ryan is looking for.The cap will need to rise soon with every QB wanting $15-22ml average.

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It's not hypo money, that is real contracted money. You can not count contracted money as hypo unless its based on a requirement other than showing up. His bonuses are counted against this and the cap because they are all "expected to be earned".

I need you to follow this till the end.

With what people think of his skill set and character. Had he finished this contract out, what do you think his 2016 contract would look like? If the 2016 contract "would" look just like this new restructure then the below is true.... If he had winning seasons it would go up.


Combined value of both original contracts is 147.5M if played out.

What he ends up with after the restructure and he plays out the new contract is 115.5M at the end.


The contracting game can be played both ways, and teams usually structure it to get the player to go in the direction they WANT him to go in.

Bree's will be restructured... You think that wont be at a loss somewhere?

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If for ANY reason Stafford's contract is terminated this year it's 60M in dead money.

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It's hypothetical because the last two years of that contract were never realized, nor were they intended to be realized. Anything Stafford loses by restructuring his contract to be more cap friendly appears to have been covered by the signing bonus, IMO.

I don't think for one minute his agent, Tom Condon (who has a reputation in these matters), would allow one of his clients to restructure a contract at a loss of $32mil, do you?

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It happened.

Condon lost nothing he was paid his %of the first contract and the restructure doesn't change that. Condon doesn't lose .01 if Stafford joins the Taliban tomorrow.

Think about what you just said, Condon wouldn't let him lose money but Condon would let him sign a contract where 2 years of it were moot.... Why?

If you think those last two years are hypo, let that contract stand and Stafford pull a Hernandez next season, lets see of the league considers that dead money hypothetical.

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I don't think it did. Professional contracts are a shell game ... now-you-see-it, now-you-don't. Doesn't mean it's not there. Condon wouldn't be a top NFL agent if he was in the habit of making those kind of deals. This is my logic:

- Stafford started out with approx. 6yrs/72mil (42mil guaranteed).

- In year 4, he restructures, foregoing years 5 & 6 of approx. 20mil each, but he is guaranteed 42mil of that contract, so he only didn't realize approx. 30mil of his original contract, not 40mil as it would appear by factoring his year 5 & 6 salaries.

- He is paid a 29mil signing bonus (approx). That covers approx. the 30mil he did not realize in years 5 & 6 of his first contract.

- His new contract is 5yrs/76mil (42mil guaranteed), which is better than 6yrs/72mil, more cap friendly at approx. 15mil a season for the length of the contract, nullifies years 5 & 6 of the original contract and adds a 3yr ext.

I think the money you think he's lost is reflected in the signing bonus (29mil) and the difference (4mil) in both deals.