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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; I just want to know why it's offensive. I don't see it, I don't get it, and I'm hearing that a lot of the Indian community is either for it, or at the very least they are not against it. ...

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Old 06-19-2014, 08:46 AM   #1
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Re: Redskins Trademark Cancelled

I just want to know why it's offensive. I don't see it, I don't get it, and I'm hearing that a lot of the Indian community is either for it, or at the very least they are not against it. So for those who say it IS offensive I want to know why. I'd love to see a team called the whiteskins or the white guys, just for comic relief. I can't imagine being mad about it.

But no matter which side of the fence you're on with the name, I think we can all agree that taking their trademark rights away is the dumbest possible thing they could have done. All it means is that anyone can use the logo without fear of being sued. They think this is going to pressure the Redskins, but in actuality it doesn't matter what it does to the team, because it will only encourage a broadening of redskins merchandising.

I don't care about it. But if you're trying to solve what you think is already a problem then you've just made it worse, almighty government.
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I just want to know why it's offensive. I don't see it, I don't get it, and I'm hearing that a lot of the Indian community is either for it, or at the very least they are not against it. So for those who say it IS offensive I want to know why. I'd love to see a team called the whiteskins or the white guys, just for comic relief. I can't imagine being mad about it.

But no matter which side of the fence you're on with the name, I think we can all agree that taking their trademark rights away is the dumbest possible thing they could have done. All it means is that anyone can use the logo without fear of being sued. They think this is going to pressure the Redskins, but in actuality it doesn't matter what it does to the team, because it will only encourage a broadening of redskins merchandising.

I don't care about it. But if you're trying to solve what you think is already a problem then you've just made it worse, almighty government.
Racism imparted on whites was usually imparted by other whites. It was really pretty much nationalism and religious beliefs. There's never been any negativity in America for being white. That's probably why it would just be funny to you. Nothings happened, so it's nothing for you to be sensitive about. When I was finishing up x ray school we watched a video on the origins of the discover of x rays. There was a segment in there where in the early 1900's they were exposing black people to inordinate amounts of radiation because it would burn the melanin out of their skin and make them white as far as complexion goes. This is how the people of the time decided to fix the "problem." So of course they'd die from radiation poisoning. Then being from New Orleans, it's a lot of really light skin people down there such as my self. I've got blonde haired, blue eyed, black cousins who are the exact same color as any average white person. The term is pas on blanc, I'm pretty sure I spelled it wrong, but it means passing for white. People used to do that to try and escape the ridicule of the times. If they were light like that, they'd just pretend. We got a complex man. We're pretty ****ed up off a lot of that. The people who went through that stuff and dealt with that stuff are still alive. So I'm pretty sure their are some over sensitive Native Americans too. That race is pretty much obliterated. Don't take this as an argument though. Just dialogue.
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Old 06-19-2014, 11:38 PM   #3
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Racism imparted on whites was usually imparted by other whites. It was really pretty much nationalism and religious beliefs. There's never been any negativity in America for being white. That's probably why it would just be funny to you. Nothings happened, so it's nothing for you to be sensitive about. When I was finishing up x ray school we watched a video on the origins of the discover of x rays. There was a segment in there where in the early 1900's they were exposing black people to inordinate amounts of radiation because it would burn the melanin out of their skin and make them white as far as complexion goes. This is how the people of the time decided to fix the "problem." So of course they'd die from radiation poisoning. Then being from New Orleans, it's a lot of really light skin people down there such as my self. I've got blonde haired, blue eyed, black cousins who are the exact same color as any average white person. The term is pas on blanc, I'm pretty sure I spelled it wrong, but it means passing for white. People used to do that to try and escape the ridicule of the times. If they were light like that, they'd just pretend. We got a complex man. We're pretty ****ed up off a lot of that. The people who went through that stuff and dealt with that stuff are still alive. So I'm pretty sure their are some over sensitive Native Americans too. That race is pretty much obliterated. Don't take this as an argument though. Just dialogue.
I'm not suggesting redskins is funny. I'm just saying it's a name that state's a color. I personally think whiteskins would be funny, but the overall point is that I don't get how saying a skin color is offensive. I get that minorities have gone through certain things, and I'm not here to dispute any of what you said above. But it still doesn't answer my question of how this name is offensive to anyone. The name isn't suggestive to any intentional changing of skin color, or any other kind of abuse. It's a name that, according to everything I'm hearing, was ok'd by Indians themselves. So whom is offended by this, and why? I'm bewildered by it. I still feel like it's just an excuse to sue the crap out of the Redskins. But if there is any real reason, I would really like to know what it is. This isn't an indictment on every Indian, but I'm not about to believe that there aren't those among them who are just looking for money. Those kind of people are very much in existence, and considering this appears to be a small percentage of people who are complaining, it makes you wonder.

I don't believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt alone. If you want a team to change it's name you have to come with something stronger than "we think it's offensive". Just my opinion.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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I'm not suggesting redskins is funny. I'm just saying it's a name that state's a color. I personally think whiteskins would be funny, but the overall point is that I don't get how saying a skin color is offensive. I get that minorities have gone through certain things, and I'm not here to dispute any of what you said above. But it still doesn't answer my question of how this name is offensive to anyone. The name isn't suggestive to any intentional changing of skin color, or any other kind of abuse. It's a name that, according to everything I'm hearing, was ok'd by Indians themselves. So whom is offended by this, and why? I'm bewildered by it. I still feel like it's just an excuse to sue the crap out of the Redskins. But if there is any real reason, I would really like to know what it is. This isn't an indictment on every Indian, but I'm not about to believe that there aren't those among them who are just looking for money. Those kind of people are very much in existence, and considering this appears to be a small percentage of people who are complaining, it makes you wonder.

I don't believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt alone. If you want a team to change it's name you have to come with something stronger than "we think it's offensive". Just my opinion.

I don't really know bruh, I never knew of it to be offensive. Like I said, I'd think they'd be more offended by Indians or the Cleveland logo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to see how it plays out. I couldn't tell you how many true Native Americans I've met all the while living in areas were cities and rivers all pay tribute to them. Idk how to determine it either way.
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I don't really know bruh, I never knew of it to be offensive. Like I said, I'd think they'd be more offended by Indians or the Cleveland logo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to see how it plays out. I couldn't tell you how many true Native Americans I've met all the while living in areas were cities and rivers all pay tribute to them. Idk how to determine it either way.
Yeah. It's impossible to figure it out anymore. Seems you can't win for losing these days. Hopefully this all doesn't snowball into something much worse. I don't think we'll see all names referring to anything native american get ousted, but I'd hate to see a bunch of bickering filtering throughout all sports over something that is generally, if not entirely meant to honor these tribes. I guess we'll see.
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