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SmashMouth 03-20-2015 01:16 PM

Sharper gets another
 
A fourth set of rape charges filed against Darren Sharper | ProFootballTalk

pinch 03-20-2015 02:15 PM

Darren Sharper chaged with rape in Las Vegas
 
Remind me not to meet Sharper & Cosby out for drinks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/ex-nfl...6716--nfl.html


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LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Rape charges filed in Las Vegas against Darren Sharper showed Friday that police and prosecutors are focusing on a pattern of drug-and-attack cases against the former NFL safety and TV analyst in Los Angeles, New Orleans and the Phoenix area.

Sharper's Las Vegas attorney, David Chesnoff, appeared Friday before a Las Vegas judge on two sexual assault charges accusing him of having sex with two tourists in January 2014 while the women were incapable of resisting.

The allegations are that Sharper went club-hopping with the women and took them to his room at a Strip hotel, where he drugged and sexually assaulted them while they were unconscious, said Officer Larry Hadfield, a Las Vegas police spokesman.

The account is similar to allegations made against Sharper in California, Louisiana and Arizona.

Chesnoff declined to comment on the two Nevada charges, which each carry a possible sentence of 10 years to life in Nevada state prison.

Sharper, 39, is sought on a warrant in Las Vegas. But he has been jailed since Feb. 27 in Los Angeles, where he was due for a preliminary hearing Friday after pleading not guilty to drugging and raping two women in 2013.

The New Orleans charges allege that he sexually assaulted three women in 2013. The Arizona charges allege that he drugged three women and sexually assaulted two of them in November 2013 in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe.

Sharper had a 14-year All-Pro career as a defensive safety with the Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints. He played in one Super Bowl with the Packers and was part of a championship season with the New Orleans Saints.

He retired after the 2010 season and was working as an analyst for the NFL Network before being fired when the rape allegations surfaced

spkb25 03-20-2015 02:15 PM

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he's going to die in prison

Beastmode 03-20-2015 02:27 PM

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Innocent until proven guilty. If I'm on the jury I would have to see concrete evidence. I would not put him away without it. I know of cases where women have claimed rape only to find out later it was all a lie, either to get back at someone or for monetary gain. One case, the guy was kicked out of the military, destroyed his life. It all came out in the end though, she admitted it was a lie to get back at him because he dumped her. She wanted to see him suffer. The military kicked him out before he was convicted. Big effin mess for them.

What is hurting him is that there are so many women. At some point you have to accept where there is a lot of smoke there is fire. Once it gets to 3,4,5 there is a pattern that is difficult to ignore. He's also a high profile person who liked to club. There are many women that seek out guys just like him for reasons other than hooking up .

pinch 03-20-2015 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647172)
Innocent until proven guilty. If I'm on the jury I would have to see concrete evidence. I would not put him away without it. I know of cases where women have claimed rape only to find out later it was all a lie, either to get back at someone or for monetary gain. One case, the guy was kicked out of the military, destroyed his life. It all came out in the end though, she admitted it was a lie to get back at him because he dumped her. She wanted to see him suffer. The military kicked him out before he was convicted. Big effin mess for them.

What is hurting him is that there are so many women. At some point you have to accept where there is a lot of smoke there is fire. Once it gets to 3,4,5 there is a pattern that is difficult to ignore.

For sure. You have to think this is some sort of weird clinical condition though, similar to what they were claiming about Cosby. I mean I've never made out with an unconscious woman before, but you'd have to think it'd be less interesting than when they're awake.

Add that to the fact that with his money and notoriety he surely could land some willing, conscious women, and you have to conclude this is a strange obsession of some sort.

Beastmode 03-20-2015 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pinch (Post 647176)
For sure. You have to think this is some sort of weird clinical condition though, similar to what they were claiming about Cosby. I mean I've never made out with an unconscious woman before, but you'd have to think it'd be less interesting than when they're awake.

Add that to the fact that with his money and notoriety he surely could land some willing, conscious women, and you have to conclude this is a strange obsession of some sort.

Agree, if it was 1-2 there is a window that is open that it's b.s. but when you start getting to around 4 fingers something is not right. It's certainly possible it could all be something else but not very likely.

spkb25 03-20-2015 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647172)
Innocent until proven guilty. If I'm on the jury I would have to see concrete evidence. I would not put him away without it. I know of cases where women have claimed rape only to find out later it was all a lie, either to get back at someone or for monetary gain. One case, the guy was kicked out of the military, destroyed his life. It all came out in the end though, she admitted it was a lie to get back at him because he dumped her. She wanted to see him suffer. The military kicked him out before he was convicted. Big effin mess for them.

What is hurting him is that there are so many women. At some point you have to accept where there is a lot of smoke there is fire. Once it gets to 3,4,5 there is a pattern that is difficult to ignore. He's also a high profile person who liked to club. There are many women that seek out guys just like him for reasons other than hooking up .

I didn't want to believe it, but so many accusations in so may places, and now he just struck a deal.

Tobias-Reiper 03-20-2015 05:03 PM

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The one thing that bothers me about this:
So you go with an NFL player (or any man for that matter) club-hopping in Las Vegas, then you go to his hotel room. Why do you go to a man's hotel room? A man who you just met? Club hopping in Las Vegas?

Any woman who does not know why she goes to the hotel room of a man she just met club hopping in Las Vegas, unless she's retarded, knows exactly why she's going there. She ain't going to watch TV or swap quiche recipes...

I have a suspicion the new plea will be nolo contendere, after some "undisclosed financial arrangements" have been made.

SmashMouth 03-20-2015 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 647199)
The one thing that bothers me about this:
So you go with an NFL player (or any man for that matter) club-hopping in Las Vegas, then you go to his hotel room. Why do you go to a man's hotel room? A man who you just met? Club hopping in Las Vegas?

Any woman who does not know why she goes to the hotel room of a man she just met club hopping in Las Vegas, unless she's retarded, knows exactly why she's going there. She ain't going to watch TV or swap quiche recipes...

I have a suspicion the new plea will be nolo contendere, after some "undisclosed financial arrangements" have been made.

Darren Sharper taking plea deal to resolve rape cases in 4 states, Cannizzaro says | NOLA.com

A very valid point... As I am a bit naive in these kinds of matters, if a rufie is given to someone, what effects in terms of decision making does it have early on? Maybe that's the answer to your question. :confused:

pinch 03-20-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 647199)
The one thing that bothers me about this:
So you go with an NFL player (or any man for that matter) club-hopping in Las Vegas, then you go to his hotel room. Why do you go to a man's hotel room? A man who you just met? Club hopping in Las Vegas?

Any woman who does not know why she goes to the hotel room of a man she just met club hopping in Las Vegas, unless she's retarded, knows exactly why she's going there. She ain't going to watch TV or swap quiche recipes...

I have a suspicion the new plea will be nolo contendere, after some "undisclosed financial arrangements" have been made.

Don't think I agree with this. Granted, she must have known there was potential for some hanky-panky, but that doesn't make it OK to drug and rape her.

As a matter of fact, I think this is even worse than a straight-up rape while being conscious. At least if she were conscious she's have a chance to fight-off the attack.

Now that the ball is rolling I wouldn't be surprised to see even more accusations. If by some stretch of the imagination Sharper is innocent, it would show a massive amount of poor judgement on his part. I can't say I buy it anymore

Tobias-Reiper 03-20-2015 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pinch (Post 647233)
Don't think I agree with this. Granted, she must have known there was potential for some hanky-panky,

Dude, come on. What's in a hotel room? What's the central piece of a hotel room? A bed. Seriously.

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but that doesn't make it OK to drug and rape her.
No one is saying that. What I am saying, I do not know the specifics, or what exactly was the chain of events that lead to whatever is that happened... what I am saying, it bothers me that these women seem to have gone to Sharper's hotel room voluntarily. Why would any woman accept to go to a stranger's hotel room, after a night of club hopping, in freaking Las Vegas, and not expect sex? What man would invite a woman, who he just met while club hopping in freaking Las Vegas, to his hotel room, and not expect sex once she accepts and voluntarily enters the room?

RailBoss 03-21-2015 03:23 AM

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Must have read the Bill Cosby "how to" book!

spkb25 03-21-2015 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 647243)
Dude, come on. What's in a hotel room? What's the central piece of a hotel room? A bed. Seriously.

No one is saying that. What I am saying, I do not know the specifics, or what exactly was the chain of events that lead to whatever is that happened... what I am saying, it bothers me that these women seem to have gone to Sharper's hotel room voluntarily. Why would any woman accept to go to a stranger's hotel room, after a night of club hopping, in freaking Las Vegas, and not expect sex? What man would invite a woman, who he just met while club hopping in freaking Las Vegas, to his hotel room, and not expect sex once she accepts and voluntarily enters the room?

Well many hotel rooms have more than just a bed, especially the one he was probably staying in. I am sure it was a suite, and maybe she was figuring on some head or a 69, doesn't mean she expected full on sex, boss. Look, there are women who lie and make rape allegations, and this seems to be happening, but I don't think he is innocent. I think he has some illness where this is concerned.

And even if they planned on sex, I am quite sure they didn't expect to be drugged and taken in the form he felt appropriate.

Tobias-Reiper 03-21-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 647258)
Well many hotel rooms have more than just a bed, especially the one he was probably staying in. I am sure it was a suite, and maybe she was figuring on some head or a 69, doesn't mean she expected full on sex, boss.

Seriously? Come on, man.
"Hey, we just met club hopping in Las Vegas. Wanna go to my hotel room and play some Xbox?"
"Sure, Sheldon".

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Look, there are women who lie and make rape allegations, and this seems to be happening, but I don't think he is innocent. I think he has some illness where this is concerned.

And even if they planned on sex, I am quite sure they didn't expect to be drugged and taken in the form he felt appropriate.
As I said before, I do not know the chain of events, only what is described in the article, and I am not absolving or condemning anyone... but it is not a stretch to assume they were all severely impaired before the talk of "going back to my hotel room" was brought up. It isn't a stretch either to think they could have passed out when they hit the bed or even just black out, and Sharper did not notice or care in his own drunkenness.

In any case, it does bother me that these women, it seems, agreed to go to a man's hotel room, again, after a night of club hopping in Las Vegas.

st thomas 03-21-2015 08:57 AM

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Hes going to be one broke s.o.b. No mater how it lands.

spkb25 03-21-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 647259)
Seriously? Come on, man.
"Hey, we just met club hopping in Las Vegas. Wanna go to my hotel room and play some Xbox?"
"Sure, Sheldon".



As I said before, I do not know the chain of events, only what is described in the article, and I am not absolving or condemning anyone... but it is not a stretch to assume they were all severely impaired before the talk of "going back to my hotel room" was brought up. It isn't a stretch either to think they could have passed out when they hit the bed or even just black out, and Sharper did not notice or care in his own drunkenness.

In any case, it does bother me that these women, it seems, agreed to go to a man's hotel room, again, after a night of club hopping in Las Vegas.

Seriously, come on what? I said there is the possibility they were going back to his room to engage in some form of sexual activity,, but by no means does it mean they intended to have full on sex. Sorry I don't think women should be drugged and raped because they decide to go back to a mans room. What if he invited women back and said hey I have to change before we head back out, come back to my room and I will fix you a drink while I shower, and then he drugged their drink and subsequently raped them?

Of course it is, because not all of these events took place in hotels, number 1. It is an absolute stretch to assume that all of these woman on separate occasions blacked out and he just didn't notice. Again, a woman going back to your hotel room by no means indicates she is trying to have sex, maybe she was like yeah I will go have some drinks mess around bit, give him a BJ, etc. Lastly, even if they were open to the possibility of sex upon going back to his room that doesn't mean you can drug them and rape them.

The fact that he is pleading guilty, uh yeah, it absolutely means he did it. If you really believe all of these frigan woman throughout all of the states are just crying rape for monetary gain you're nuts. Absolutely nuts.

Lastly, like I said in the first paragraph, what if they had plans to go to the club and he said come back to my room I need to shower real quick. Fixes her a drink and drugs her.

Dude is guilty, plain and simple. If he wasn't, this would be happening to every single athlete with multiple accusations throughout all these different states.

He is pleading guilty, and according to reports will be admitting to drugging them.

spkb25 03-21-2015 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 647261)
Hes going to be one broke s.o.b. No mater how it lands.

Broke.. what, dude is going to jail, for a long time. I suspect it will be in the 15-20 year range

Beastmode 03-21-2015 01:11 PM

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There was a lot more evidence with Casey Anthony and she walked. Sad part is if it comes down to circumstantial evidence he'll get convicted, same as Scott Peterson. The standards are not the same for men. Is there any hard evidence? How can something like this even be proven? As I have stated, I know of people who went down for this only to be proven completely innocent later. I'm not saying he's innocent, only it's very difficult to prove if you take emotions out of it. I'm a certified sexual assault victims advocate and can tell you, women lie a lot more than people want to believe. Guys also get raped but almost never report it either. A lot of misconceptions about rape.

spkb25 03-21-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647275)
There was a lot more evidence with Casey Anthony and she walked. Sad part is if it comes down to circumstantial evidence he'll get convicted, same as Scott Peterson. The standards are not the same for men. Is there any hard evidence? How can something like this even be proven? As I have stated, I know of people who went down for this only to be proven completely innocent later. I'm not saying he's innocent, only it's very difficult to prove if you take emotions out of it. I'm a certified sexual assault victims advocate and can tell you, women lie a lot more than people want to believe. Guys also get raped but almost never report it either. A lot of misconceptions about rape.

He is pleading guilty, and per source that will include him admitting to drugging them. Come on man...

The only rape a man can understand is by another man. You want to know what a woman feels like being raped, imagine having a man F- you in your ass and you can do nothing about it. It is a violation few men can ever understand.

Kobe Bryant I never thought did it, and I did not want to believe Sharp did, but I can't ignore the evidence and almost certainty he did it. Apparently there are others involved and possibility he is going to start naming others...

spkb25 03-21-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647275)
There was a lot more evidence with Casey Anthony and she walked. Sad part is if it comes down to circumstantial evidence he'll get convicted, same as Scott Peterson. The standards are not the same for men. Is there any hard evidence? How can something like this even be proven? As I have stated, I know of people who went down for this only to be proven completely innocent later. I'm not saying he's innocent, only it's very difficult to prove if you take emotions out of it. I'm a certified sexual assault victims advocate and can tell you, women lie a lot more than people want to believe. Guys also get raped but almost never report it either. A lot of misconceptions about rape.

And I love you boss, but seriously man, this isn't a black man in the south getting placed in jail for rape based of someone's eye witness testimony. Kobe Bryant I still 100% believe was a lie by a mentally deranged woman looking for publicity and money, but this does not have that feel. Not by a long shot. And, I am always skeptical when women start the rape accusation, but this case he appears guilty, and now he is about to plead guilty for all of the rapes.

Anyway, I am not going to argue about it, we are each going to have our opinions, and this time I just can't ignore the near certainty he did everything he is being accused of, and probably some we will never know about

Mardigras9 03-23-2015 09:26 AM

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If she goes to his hotel room willingly, if the idea of any type of sexual interaction is expected or implied, or if drugs and alcohol are involved, I hear what you are saying. But if the girl changes her mind, sobers up before, or any other avenue to reach the decision of NO, then it is NO. There is no gray area in this arguement. If he is drugging these girls without there knowledge and engaging in activities against their will, then he is breaking the law.

Lord_Saint83 03-23-2015 10:33 AM

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Fifty no's and a yes means yes.

Beastmode 03-23-2015 11:06 AM

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Pleading guilty. Up to 8 years on the plea from what I read but not sure for all charges or just one state.

brees84 03-23-2015 12:05 PM

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spkb25 03-23-2015 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647467)
Pleading guilty. Up to 8 years on the plea from what I read but not sure for all charges or just one state.

probably all, lucky, but dude that is a **** long time in jail, and what could he possibly ever do afterward?

spkb25 03-23-2015 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 647474)

Probably means both the defense and prosecution were little worried and not sure. 8 years, man that sucks to go to jail for that long, but dude is lucky, plus he already served over 1.

Beastmode 03-23-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 647477)
probably all, lucky, but dude that is a **** long time in jail, and what could he possibly ever do afterward?


That's not long at all, David Luster got 48 years for pretty much the same thing. If he gets 8 years or less he should be jumping for joy. When he gets out he could still live a decent life. Not sure what he can do when he gets out but it won't be a janitor in an all girl school that's for sure.

spkb25 03-23-2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647501)
Not sure what he can do when he gets out but it won't be a janitor in an all girl school that's for sure.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

spkb25 03-23-2015 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 647501)
That's not long at all, David Luster got 48 years for pretty much the same thing. If he gets 8 years or less he should be jumping for joy. When he gets out he could still live a decent life. Not sure what he can do when he gets out but it won't be a janitor in an all girl school that's for sure.

looks like it ended up being 20 years when it was all said and done

Darren Sharper takes 20-year plea deal in Louisiana rape case | ProFootballTalk

QBREES9 03-23-2015 10:37 PM

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Creep.


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