Jonathan Martin Anyone?

burningmetal · 03-27-2015, 10:04 AM

The idea of a grown man being bullied by another grown man is hilarious enough. But when you're a monster of a human being like Martin is, and you're still going to let someone push you around, well.... that's just pitiful.

Don't need that on this team.

nola_swammi · 03-27-2015, 04:06 PM

The guy is a kid only 25, he was only 22 before the incident. Incognito, a older guy 29 and captain, how do you think he suppose to act in that situation as a rookie and 1 year veteran?

Judging him on skill set as a guard I don't think he is the answer to our offensive line

burningmetal · 03-28-2015, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

The guy is a kid only 25, he was only 22 before the incident. Incognito, a older guy 29 and captain, how do you think he suppose to act in that situation as a rookie and 1 year veteran?

Judging him on skill set as a guard I don't think he is the answer to our offensive line

22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about?

I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own.

spkb25 · 03-28-2015, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about?

I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own.

Incognito is a *****, and he is jealous of other people and feels inferior to them so he has to try and bully someone. Like I said he got his power because people supported his bull****.

Funny to read all the comments about it back then and what he said.

So this is immature behavior just trying to get someone riled up....???

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

From what I remember Martin went to his entire org before coming out about it. THEY FAILED! I don't care what place of employment it is, no one should have to feel that way going to work or have someone saying that to them.

burningmetal · 03-28-2015, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Incognito is a *****, and he is jealous of other people and feels inferior to them so he has to try and bully someone. Like I said he got his power because people supported his bull****.

Funny to read all the comments about it back then and what he said.

So this is immature behavior just trying to get someone riled up....???

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

From what I remember Martin went to his entire org before coming out about it. THEY FAILED! I don't care what place of employment it is, no one should have to feel that way going to work or have someone saying that to them.

Was Martin the only black guy on the team? Was he the only rookie on the team? Do you think that Martin was the only one he talked to that way? I didn't defend incognito, I called him what he is. An immature frat boy. All that garbage he said is pure rhetoric, it can't be taken as serious threats. It's just a stupid guy acting stupid. But be a man and stand up to him. Instead he was weak, and Incognito preyed on that weakness, as people like him will do.

I suppose you think Gregg Williams meant it literally when he supposedly told his players "kill the head" and blah blah blah.

spkb25 · 03-28-2015, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Was Martin the only black guy on the team? Was he the only rookie on the team? Do you think that Martin was the only one he talked to that way? I didn't defend incognito, I called him what he is. An immature frat boy. All that garbage he said is pure rhetoric, it can't be taken as serious threats. It's just a stupid guy acting stupid. But be a man and stand up to him. Instead he was weak, and Incognito preyed on that weakness, as people like him will do.

I suppose you think Gregg Williams meant it literally when he supposedly told his players "kill the head" and blah blah blah.

Well now you're confusing hyperbole used to make an analogy vs someone saying I am going to **** in your mouth and kill you. I have no idea if he meant what he said, but what was the analogy Incognito was making so you can parallel his statements to GW's?

GW's was saying that if you kill the main part that makes the body function you win. I don't see any point to Incognito's comments.

nola_swammi · 03-29-2015, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about?

I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own.

I am going to try to simplify this so you can understand as much as possible. A young man coming to his place of employment after hearing the certain protocol (the shield is bigger than you) about don't disrespect the shield or yourself. Seeing how players had to take the hazing of carrying veteran equip (Dez Bryant) buying teammates gifts (Ryan Tannerhill) or going through gauntlets (saints) as a form of passage in the league and you say he should fight. What you don't understand is he won't be just fighting Incognito, incognito was the designated captain meaning his following veterans had his back.

If your boss was to call you in the office for a 1 on 1 and said the same things Incognito said to you and you were the same size, salary and age of Martin would you do? I personally think he handled it as properly as it could've be done.

SmashMouth · 03-27-2015, 04:20 PM

Panthers claim Jonathan Martin off waivers from 49ers | ProFootballTalk

RaginCajun83 · 03-27-2015, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Panthers claim Jonathan Martin off waivers from 49ers | ProFootballTalk

Good, they can have him

RaginCajun83 · 03-27-2015, 04:21 PM

NO

03-27-2015, 10:04 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? The idea of a grown man being bullied by another grown man is hilarious enough. But when you're a monster of a human being like Martin is, and you're still going to let someone push you around, well.... that's just pitiful. Don't need that on this team.

03-27-2015, 04:06 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? The guy is a kid only 25, he was only 22 before the incident. Incognito, a older guy 29 and captain, how do you think he suppose to act in that situation as a rookie and 1 year veteran? Judging him on skill set as a guard I don't think he is the answer to our offensive line spkb25 likes this.

03-28-2015, 04:07 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by nola_swammi The guy is a kid only 25, he was only 22 before the incident. Incognito, a older guy 29 and captain, how do you think he suppose to act in that situation as a rookie and 1 year veteran? Judging him on skill set as a guard I don't think he is the answer to our offensive line 22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about? I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-28-2015, 06:47 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by burningmetal 22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about? I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own. Incognito is a ***, and he is jealous of other people and feels inferior to them so he has to try and bully someone. Like I said he got his power because people supported his bull**. Funny to read all the comments about it back then and what he said. So this is immature behavior just trying to get someone riled up....??? "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you." From what I remember Martin went to his entire org before coming out about it. THEY FAILED! I don't care what place of employment it is, no one should have to feel that way going to work or have someone saying that to them. Crusader and ScottF like this.
	Your team stinks

03-28-2015, 07:36 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by spkb25 Incognito is a ***, and he is jealous of other people and feels inferior to them so he has to try and bully someone. Like I said he got his power because people supported his bull**. Funny to read all the comments about it back then and what he said. So this is immature behavior just trying to get someone riled up....??? "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you." From what I remember Martin went to his entire org before coming out about it. THEY FAILED! I don't care what place of employment it is, no one should have to feel that way going to work or have someone saying that to them. Was Martin the only black guy on the team? Was he the only rookie on the team? Do you think that Martin was the only one he talked to that way? I didn't defend incognito, I called him what he is. An immature frat boy. All that garbage he said is pure rhetoric, it can't be taken as serious threats. It's just a stupid guy acting stupid. But be a man and stand up to him. Instead he was weak, and Incognito preyed on that weakness, as people like him will do. I suppose you think Gregg Williams meant it literally when he supposedly told his players "kill the head" and blah blah blah.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-28-2015, 09:25 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by burningmetal Was Martin the only black guy on the team? Was he the only rookie on the team? Do you think that Martin was the only one he talked to that way? I didn't defend incognito, I called him what he is. An immature frat boy. All that garbage he said is pure rhetoric, it can't be taken as serious threats. It's just a stupid guy acting stupid. But be a man and stand up to him. Instead he was weak, and Incognito preyed on that weakness, as people like him will do. I suppose you think Gregg Williams meant it literally when he supposedly told his players "kill the head" and blah blah blah. Well now you're confusing hyperbole used to make an analogy vs someone saying I am going to **** in your mouth and kill you. I have no idea if he meant what he said, but what was the analogy Incognito was making so you can parallel his statements to GW's? GW's was saying that if you kill the main part that makes the body function you win. I don't see any point to Incognito's comments. Crusader likes this.

03-29-2015, 01:22 AM	#7
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by burningmetal 22... Not 12. 22 years old and built like a house, how do you get bullied? Incognito is an instigator. He's one of these guys who thinks he has to show superiority through frat boy type of behavior. He thinks that's how he's going to get people to follow him. It's just an immature form of trying to get people riled up. It's not the same thing as bullying. No one was trying to beat anyone up, and even if incognito HAD tried that, Martin is bigger than him. So what's he so rattled about? I don't give a crap how much experience he has in the NFL, he didn't just start playing football when he got drafted. Your defense of him is every bit as weak as his own. I am going to try to simplify this so you can understand as much as possible. A young man coming to his place of employment after hearing the certain protocol (the shield is bigger than you) about don't disrespect the shield or yourself. Seeing how players had to take the hazing of carrying veteran equip (Dez Bryant) buying teammates gifts (Ryan Tannerhill) or going through gauntlets (saints) as a form of passage in the league and you say he should fight. What you don't understand is he won't be just fighting Incognito, incognito was the designated captain meaning his following veterans had his back. If your boss was to call you in the office for a 1 on 1 and said the same things Incognito said to you and you were the same size, salary and age of Martin would you do? I personally think he handled it as properly as it could've be done. spkb25, Crusader and ScottF like this.

03-27-2015, 04:20 PM	#8
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03-27-2015, 04:21 PM	#9
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Jonathan Martin Anyone? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Panthers claim Jonathan Martin off waivers from 49ers \| ProFootballTalk Good, they can have him

03-27-2015, 04:21 PM	#10
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