Redskins win trademark dispute

vpheughan · 12-26-2015, 09:01 AM

Waiting for a group of Atheists to go after the "Saints."

QBREES9 · 12-26-2015, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Waiting for a group of Atheists to go after the "Saints."

Now that's funny. This damn PC world is crazy.

OldMaid · 12-26-2015, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Waiting for a group of Atheists to go after the "Saints."

I know you are making a joke , but at the same, you have a good point AND IT WILL happen. I poste about the Saints ' name and the whole meaning of the Saints(All Saint's Day) etc. before in this subject. Yes, it will be a matter of time before some people have issue with the religious meanings of the Saints' team, and why stop there. The Fluer -de-lie of France ...repression. We can go on and on. It has become PC stupid.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-27-2015, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

I know you are making a joke , but at the same, you have a good point AND IT WILL happen.

For crying out loud. Stop the bull****.
1. "Saint" is not derogatory term or racial slur. Never has been.
2. Atheists don't give a rat's ass who/what you worship or what you choose to call your privately owned business. You can open Jehovah's Hardware Store or Virgin Mary's 32 Flavors, or have a football team named the Saints... atheists don't give a ****. Atheists only give a **** when their kids are punished in school for not praying, or when the government sponsors religion or forces religion upon them.

It's been over 35 years now... you probably should stop now with the "PC is ruining the country" crap.

SloMotion · 12-29-2015, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

For crying out loud. Stop the bull****.
1. "Saint" is not derogatory term or racial slur. Never has been ...

It's been over 35 years now... you probably should stop now with the "PC is ruining the country" crap.

IDK dude, the fact something is not derogatory hasn't stopped the PC crowd before ... here's a good recent example (it just passed through the MN House or Senate) where the Minnesota legislature is looking at renaming Asian Carp to "Invasive Carp" because they feel it is offensive to Asians ... Minnesota-renames-Asian-carp-because-name-offensive ... there has been absolutely no outcry from the Asian community on the name of these fish and it actually encompasses three specific carp that originated in China/Vietnam (Asia, go figure ... ) and threaten the Great Lakes ecosystem.

Just an example of how PC is alive & well and how it wouldn't necessarily take an atheist to take offense at the New Orleans mascot ... there's loopy m'fers everywhere just looking for a cause,

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Tobias-Reiper · 12-29-2015, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

IDK dude, the fact something is not derogatory hasn't stopped the PC crowd before ... here's a good recent example (it just passed through the MN House or Senate) where the Minnesota legislature is looking at renaming Asian Carp to "Invasive Carp" because they feel it is offensive to Asians ... Minnesota-renames-Asian-carp-because-name-offensive ... there has been absolutely no outcry from the Asian community on the name of these fish and it actually encompasses three specific carp that originated in China/Vietnam (Asia, go figure ... ) and threaten the Great Lakes ecosystem.

Just an example of how PC is alive & well and how it wouldn't necessarily take an atheist to take offense at the New Orleans mascot ... there's loopy m'fers everywhere just looking for a cause, .

I feel you may be confusing PC with politicians trying to either appeal to their party's fringe with irrelevant fluff (well, the irrelevant fluff that ends up costing taxpayers money, so I guess not so irrelevant

), or are trying to pad their resumes with irrelevant fluff: no one is going to oppose to rename a fish in the Senate.. well, maybe if the fish was the Robert E. Lee Carp

... but I digress. Happens on both sides of the isle. I doubt Sen. Hoffman and Gov. Dayton really want to call the fish what they are, as the article states: neither Ctenopharyngodon idella or Hypophthalmichthys harmandi, they don't exactly roll off the tongue

In any case, when it comes to "Redskin", it is a derogatory term, it is a racial slur. The word's meaning may have been watered down among non-Native American people, and may very well be because of a football team being named the Redskins and not hearing much (or not wanting to hear) from the Native Americans who are conveniently segregated in reservations, but it is not non-Native American people it offends.

As I've said before, I can only imagine the outrage of the very Daniel Snyder of there was a team called The Washington Treblinkers, with black and red uniforms. He would fight to have that name changed. But no one would even dare call a team the Treblinkers. And why wouldn't they? Because they are politically correct?

I can guarantee you, if I were to walk to you and your mother in front of your kids, and I called your mother something like .. well, can't type it because it would come up all asterisks, but say that sounds like "bucking count whole",the last think that's going to go through your mind is "this man is exercising his 1st amendment rights" or "how non-pc.. bravo!". I am willing to bet you'd probably take a swing at me, if not 2 or 3.

SloMotion · 12-29-2015, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I feel you may be confusing PC with politicians trying to either appeal to their party's fringe with irrelevant fluff (well, the irrelevant fluff that ends up costing taxpayers money, so I guess not so irrelevant ), or are trying to pad their resumes with irrelevant fluff: ...

TLDR ... you're going off on tangents. My point was in regards to the possibility of someone finding the non-offensive nickname "Saints" offensive and giving a current example of just such a case ... not confusing anything. Renaming Asian Carp to 'Invasive Carp' because it hypothetically offends Asians perfectly illustrates that and how the Saints mascot may be misconstrued one day by the PC crowd, #shrug. Yes, I agree it's pandering to the fringe ... the "politically correct" fringe,

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Tobias-Reiper · 12-29-2015, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

TLDR ...

Well, you should have.

you're going off on tangents. My point was in regards to the possibility of someone finding the non-offensive nickname "Saints" offensive and giving a current example of just such a case ... not confusing anything. Renaming Asian Carp to 'Invasive Carp' because it hypothetically offends Asians perfectly illustrates that and how the Saints mascot may be misconstrued one day by the PC crowd, #shrug. Yes, I agree it's pandering to the fringe ... the "politically correct" fringe, .

You are operating under the assumption that indeed someone was so extremely PC as to find the name "Asian carp" offensive; yet no one finds "Asian carp" to be offensive (well, I am sure there has to be a nut or two out there); not even Sen. Hoffman or Gov. Dayton, I assure you. They both merely found an opportunity to pad their stats without opposition through a totally meaningless action with literally no repercussions whatsoever.

So when you say that the name Saint could be misconstrued one day by the "PC crowd", it is highly inflammatory and pure hyperbole.

Speaking of letting go of the "pc is ruining the country" thing, probably could let go of the slippery slope thing at the same time.

12-26-2015, 09:01 AM	#1
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12-26-2015, 01:05 PM	#2
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12-26-2015, 01:27 PM	#3
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,917 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by vpheughan Waiting for a group of Atheists to go after the "Saints." I know you are making a joke , but at the same, you have a good point AND IT WILL happen. I poste about the Saints ' name and the whole meaning of the Saints(All Saint's Day) etc. before in this subject. Yes, it will be a matter of time before some people have issue with the religious meanings of the Saints' team, and why stop there. The Fluer -de-lie of France ...repression. We can go on and on. It has become PC stupid.

12-27-2015, 10:16 AM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by OldMaid I know you are making a joke , but at the same, you have a good point AND IT WILL happen. For crying out loud. Stop the bull**. 1. "Saint" is not derogatory term or racial slur. Never has been. 2. Atheists don't give a rat's ass who/what you worship or what you choose to call your privately owned business. You can open Jehovah's Hardware Store or Virgin Mary's 32 Flavors, or have a football team named the Saints... atheists don't give a . Atheists only give a ** when their kids are punished in school for not praying, or when the government sponsors religion or forces religion upon them. It's been over 35 years now... you probably should stop now with the "PC is ruining the country" crap. Crusader likes this.
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12-29-2015, 05:56 AM	#5
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper For crying out loud. Stop the bull**. 1. "Saint" is not derogatory term or racial slur.** Never has been ... It's been over 35 years now... you probably should stop now with the "PC is ruining the country" crap. IDK dude, the fact something is not derogatory hasn't stopped the PC crowd before ... here's a good recent example (it just passed through the MN House or Senate) where the Minnesota legislature is looking at renaming Asian Carp to "Invasive Carp" because they feel it is offensive to Asians ... Minnesota-renames-Asian-carp-because-name-offensive ... there has been absolutely no outcry from the Asian community on the name of these fish and it actually encompasses three specific carp that originated in China/Vietnam (Asia, go figure ... ) and threaten the Great Lakes ecosystem. Just an example of how PC is alive & well and how it wouldn't necessarily take an atheist to take offense at the New Orleans mascot ... there's loopy m'fers everywhere just looking for a cause, .

12-29-2015, 12:26 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by SloMotion IDK dude, the fact something is not derogatory hasn't stopped the PC crowd before ... here's a good recent example (it just passed through the MN House or Senate) where the Minnesota legislature is looking at renaming Asian Carp to "Invasive Carp" because they feel it is offensive to Asians ... Minnesota-renames-Asian-carp-because-name-offensive ... there has been absolutely no outcry from the Asian community on the name of these fish and it actually encompasses three specific carp that originated in China/Vietnam (Asia, go figure ... ) and threaten the Great Lakes ecosystem. Just an example of how PC is alive & well and how it wouldn't necessarily take an atheist to take offense at the New Orleans mascot ... there's loopy m'fers everywhere just looking for a cause, . I feel you may be confusing PC with politicians trying to either appeal to their party's fringe with irrelevant fluff (well, the irrelevant fluff that ends up costing taxpayers money, so I guess not so irrelevant ), or are trying to pad their resumes with irrelevant fluff: no one is going to oppose to rename a fish in the Senate.. well, maybe if the fish was the Robert E. Lee Carp ... but I digress. Happens on both sides of the isle. I doubt Sen. Hoffman and Gov. Dayton really want to call the fish what they are, as the article states: neither Ctenopharyngodon idella or Hypophthalmichthys harmandi, they don't exactly roll off the tongue In any case, when it comes to "Redskin", it is a derogatory term, it is a racial slur. The word's meaning may have been watered down among non-Native American people, and may very well be because of a football team being named the Redskins and not hearing much (or not wanting to hear) from the Native Americans who are conveniently segregated in reservations, but it is not non-Native American people it offends. As I've said before, I can only imagine the outrage of the very Daniel Snyder of there was a team called The Washington Treblinkers, with black and red uniforms. He would fight to have that name changed. But no one would even dare call a team the Treblinkers. And why wouldn't they? Because they are politically correct? I can guarantee you, if I were to walk to you and your mother in front of your kids, and I called your mother something like .. well, can't type it because it would come up all asterisks, but say that sounds like "bucking count whole",the last think that's going to go through your mind is "this man is exercising his 1st amendment rights" or "how non-pc.. bravo!". I am willing to bet you'd probably take a swing at me, if not 2 or 3.
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12-29-2015, 02:21 PM	#7
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I feel you may be confusing PC with politicians trying to either appeal to their party's fringe with irrelevant fluff (well, the irrelevant fluff that ends up costing taxpayers money, so I guess not so irrelevant ), or are trying to pad their resumes with irrelevant fluff: ... TLDR ... you're going off on tangents. My point was in regards to the possibility of someone finding the non-offensive nickname "Saints" offensive and giving a current example of just such a case ... not confusing anything. Renaming Asian Carp to 'Invasive Carp' because it hypothetically offends Asians perfectly illustrates that and how the Saints mascot may be misconstrued one day by the PC crowd, #shrug. Yes, I agree it's pandering to the fringe ... the "politically correct" fringe, .

12-29-2015, 03:39 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Redskins win trademark dispute Originally Posted by SloMotion TLDR ... Well, you should have. you're going off on tangents. My point was in regards to the possibility of someone finding the non-offensive nickname "Saints" offensive and giving a current example of just such a case ... not confusing anything. Renaming Asian Carp to 'Invasive Carp' because it hypothetically offends Asians perfectly illustrates that and how the Saints mascot may be misconstrued one day by the PC crowd, #shrug. Yes, I agree it's pandering to the fringe ... the "politically correct" fringe, . You are operating under the assumption that indeed someone was so extremely PC as to find the name "Asian carp" offensive; yet no one finds "Asian carp" to be offensive (well, I am sure there has to be a nut or two out there); not even Sen. Hoffman or Gov. Dayton, I assure you. They both merely found an opportunity to pad their stats without opposition through a totally meaningless action with literally no repercussions whatsoever. So when you say that the name Saint could be misconstrued one day by the "PC crowd", it is highly inflammatory and pure hyperbole. Speaking of letting go of the "pc is ruining the country" thing, probably could let go of the slippery slope thing at the same time.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill