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QBREES9 01-31-2016 07:26 PM
Geno Smith.
 
Geno, has got to go, and he will.


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rezburna 01-31-2016 09:08 PM
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If Mark Sanchez and Brandon Weeden still have jobs in the NFL then Geno Smith deserves a chance to develop.

saintfan 01-31-2016 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 691301)
If Mark Sanchez and Brandon Weeden still have jobs in the NFL then Geno Smith deserves a chance to develop.
Can't disagree here. I can think of a few others. Consistency and coaching can go a long way.

RailBoss 01-31-2016 09:31 PM
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Probably not going to happen in NY, the folks up there eat QB's alive.

SloMotion 02-01-2016 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 691301)
If Mark Sanchez and Brandon Weeden still have jobs in the NFL then Geno Smith deserves a chance to develop.
One thing that works in his favor is that there's 32 teams, 1/2 the QB's in the league wouldn't cut it but for that fact and that's why you see guys like Sanchez, Weeden, Kellen Moore, Smith, et ... being allowed to hang around.

It's a business, not a charity, and in the NFL you're not in the business of losing games, #shrug. He deserves whatever chance he can give himself by playing well, IMO, and it's on him, not on an organization to give him a chance, #shrug ... this ain't AYSO soccer, just sayin'.

Hopefully he can identify whatever it is a coaching staff sees that keeps him off the field & correct it. Or, focus on being a back-up, #shrug. Plenty of guys in the NFL have made that a successful gig, #shrug. Charlie Batch (Eastern Michigan University/Detroit Lions) was actually one of my favorite QB's who never quite made it as a starter but had great success holding a clipboard, :).

It's OK to think like that when a player's in amateur status (Denard Robinson & Devon Gardener at UofM are good examples of how you ruin a program by giving someone who may not necessarily deserve it, "a chance"), but once you're in the pro's, you get the job done or you go home, it's that way all over, #shrug.

Jamessr 02-01-2016 11:15 AM
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I'll use the word "deserve" lightly.

Crusader 02-01-2016 12:04 PM
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I expected him to do poorly in the NFL and though that the Jets were crazy for drafting him. I have not seen anything to change my opinion yet.

QBREES9 02-02-2016 12:23 AM
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The Jes will let him go, but who will give him another shot? DALLAS.

SloMotion 02-02-2016 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 691443)
The yes will let him go, but who will give him another shot? DALLAS.
I can see that, they were desperate enough to sign Kellen Moore, #shrug.

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 691368)
I expected him to do poorly in the NFL and though that the Jets were crazy for drafting him. I have not seen anything to change my opinion yet.
Well, I looked up his numbers and you were right:

2013: 8-8, cmp 247/443, cmp% 55.8%, 3046yds, 12 td/21 int, QBR 38.6
2014: 3-10, cmp 219/367, cmp% 59.7%, 2525yds, 13 td/13 int, QBR 44.28
2015: 0-1, cmp 27/42, cmp% 64.3, 265yds, 2 td/1 int, QBR 66.2

These numbers don't exactly "wow" ya', just sayin', and I can see why he doesn't play. When you throw that many interceptions, you're not helping the team any. Unfortunately, QB is a high-profile position where a team can't hide/bury your weaknesses, #numbersdon'tlie.

I guess you could argue that his completion percentage went up and his turnovers went down from 2013 - 2014, but come on, those are mediocre-crappy numbers any way you look at it, :neutral:.

Upon further review, Geno should consider himself lucky to still be in the league, IMO, #shrug.

SmashMouth 02-02-2016 12:13 PM
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You can't be a box of rocks to play QB in the NFL at the highest level. Maybe Geno is among those, Sanchez included, whose mental capacity can't keep up to be an upper tier QB.

rezburna 02-02-2016 12:50 PM
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I think he can be a decent starter. He didn't have much talent around him in NY those first two years.

SloMotion 02-02-2016 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 691471)
You can't be a box of rocks to play QB in the NFL at the highest level. Maybe Geno is among those, Sanchez included, whose mental capacity can't keep up to be an upper tier QB.
I'll agree with that, Smith had to have something going for him to make it that far and I think anyone that's played a sport can agree that you do eventually reach a level where the game is just too fast for ya', on your way to the top.

I'm lukewarm on the "surrounding talent" debate. You can take that into account, his O/L was suspect, but other QB's have managed with lesser talent around them, #shrug. One thing I did see was that the "experts" felt Smith did not run enough or use his abilities to get himself out of tight spots. IDK, I didn't get to see that much of him, and going by the TD/INT ratio, which to me is the gold standard of QB evaluation, he kinda' came up short.

If he can play, he can play. Hopefully he can get outta' NY and maybe on a team where he can back-up a veteran QB and develop some. I've never been a big fan of drafting a QB and throwing them in the fire right off the bat, ie Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, et ... comes to mind, :lol:. It takes a special kind of guy/talent to make it in the NFL under those circumstances, ie Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, among others, :).

Crusader 02-02-2016 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 691477)
I'll agree with that, Smith had to have something going for him to make it that far and I think anyone that's played a sport can agree that you do eventually reach a level where the game is just too fast for ya', on your way to the top.

I'm lukewarm on the "surrounding talent" debate. You can take that into account, his O/L was suspect, but other QB's have managed with lesser talent around them, #shrug. One thing I did see was that the "experts" felt Smith did not run enough or use his abilities to get himself out of tight spots. IDK, I didn't get to see that much of him, and going by the TD/INT ratio, which to me is the gold standard of QB evaluation, he kinda' came up short.

If he can play, he can play. Hopefully he can get outta' NY and maybe on a team where he can back-up a veteran QB and develop some. I've never been a big fan of drafting a QB and throwing them in the fire right off the bat, ie Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, et ... comes to mind, :lol:. It takes a special kind of guy/talent to make it in the NFL under those circumstances, ie Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, among others, :).
His completion percentage is better in his second year and the INTs are down but he still doesn't wow me. The 2015 sample is too small to take into consideration.

Among the youngest QBs in the leauge I like Bridgewater, Bortles and Carr a lot more.
I also thought EJ Manuel would be good for the Bills....

rezburna 02-02-2016 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 691477)
I'll agree with that, Smith had to have something going for him to make it that far and I think anyone that's played a sport can agree that you do eventually reach a level where the game is just too fast for ya', on your way to the top.

I'm lukewarm on the "surrounding talent" debate. You can take that into account, his O/L was suspect, but other QB's have managed with lesser talent around them, #shrug. One thing I did see was that the "experts" felt Smith did not run enough or use his abilities to get himself out of tight spots. IDK, I didn't get to see that much of him, and going by the TD/INT ratio, which to me is the gold standard of QB evaluation, he kinda' came up short.

If he can play, he can play. Hopefully he can get outta' NY and maybe on a team where he can back-up a veteran QB and develop some. I've never been a big fan of drafting a QB and throwing them in the fire right off the bat, ie Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, et ... comes to mind, :lol:. It takes a special kind of guy/talent to make it in the NFL under those circumstances, ie Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, among others, :).
I watched him in a couple of games. Consistency is the problem. He reminds me of Aaron Brooks. He does need to scramble more often, and I used to say the same about AB. I wouldn't be mad if we gave him a shot to learn behind Brees and a Sean Payton coached offense.

SloMotion 02-03-2016 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 691493)
His completion percentage is better in his second year and the INTs are down but he still doesn't wow me. The 2015 sample is too small to take into consideration.

Among the youngest QBs in the leauge I like Bridgewater, Bortles and Carr a lot more.
I also thought EJ Manuel would be good for the Bills....
Yeah, looking at his numbers, they seem incomplete. Did he have a broken jaw this season, or something? I remember some kind of incident, but it didn't seem to be a pattern or consistent with who he is, so I shrugged it off. I interpret 13TD/13INT as maybe improvement over the previous year, but it's still 1:1, which I assume is not desirable among NFL QB's. You can manipulate stats, most times, to show a favorable outcome, but in Geno's case, it's hard, just sayin'. :)

I really like "Touchdown" Teddy Bridgewater, :) ... I make fun of him, he plays for the Vikings :( and has AllDay supporting him, and he is one QB who upped his game one season to the next. Minnesota's gonna' do right by him by building a team around him & challenging for a title, just watch.

Bortles, Carr and Manuel were personally responsible for ruining a lot of my picks this season, :lol: ... them guys would play like world-beaters one week, crap-out the next, :neutral:. I really thought Manuel was the answer in Buffalo, but now they got the Ryan Brothers running the circus, stay tuned, :lol:.

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 691506)
I watched him in a couple of games. Consistency is the problem. He reminds me of Aaron Brooks. He does need to scramble more often, and I used to say the same about AB. I wouldn't be mad if we gave him a shot to learn behind Brees and a Sean Payton coached offense.
Yep, and consistency is a key when you're on a crappy team being coached by a Ryan, IMO, :lol:. Thinking about it more, coming from WV, he probably was a scrambling/running QB and tried to become a pocket guy once he got to the NFL ... as least that's my assumption, not being familiar with him. You see that a lot in the NFL, try to fit a square peg in a round hole, #shrug.

I think a mind like Payton and mentor like Brees would do any young QB good ... hmmm, I wonder if the Lions could use him though, Stafford's been there 7-8yrs & while serviceable, doesn't appear to be the answer.

Who knows? The Jet's QB issues are legendary and maybe they should just ride one guy out & focus on the rest of the team until they get that settled, then revisit the QB position, #shrug. One things for sure, I'm glad I'm not a Jet's fan, :lol:.

rezburna 02-03-2016 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 691561)
Yeah, looking at his numbers, they seem incomplete. Did he have a broken jaw this season, or something? I remember some kind of incident, but it didn't seem to be a pattern or consistent with who he is, so I shrugged it off. I interpret 13TD/13INT as maybe improvement over the previous year, but it's still 1:1, which I assume is not desirable among NFL QB's. You can manipulate stats, most times, to show a favorable outcome, but in Geno's case, it's hard, just sayin'. :)

I really like "Touchdown" Teddy Bridgewater, :) ... I make fun of him, he plays for the Vikings :( and has AllDay supporting him, and he is one QB who upped his game one season to the next. Minnesota's gonna' do right by him by building a team around him & challenging for a title, just watch.

Bortles, Carr and Manuel were personally responsible for ruining a lot of my picks this season, :lol: ... them guys would play like world-beaters one week, crap-out the next, :neutral:. I really thought Manuel was the answer in Buffalo, but now they got the Ryan Brothers running the circus, stay tuned, :lol:.



Yep, and consistency is a key when you're on a crappy team being coached by a Ryan, IMO, :lol:. Thinking about it more, coming from WV, he probably was a scrambling/running QB and tried to become a pocket guy once he got to the NFL ... as least that's my assumption, not being familiar with him. You see that a lot in the NFL, try to fit a square peg in a round hole, #shrug.

I think a mind like Payton and mentor like Brees would do any young QB good ... hmmm, I wonder if the Lions could use him though, Stafford's been there 7-8yrs & while serviceable, doesn't appear to be the answer.

Who knows? The Jet's QB issues are legendary and maybe they should just ride one guy out & focus on the rest of the team until they get that settled, then revisit the QB position, #shrug. One things for sure, I'm glad I'm not a Jet's fan, :lol:.
He was actually Teddy Bridgewater esque at WV as far his ability to throw the ball. He just didn't face the toughest of NCAA schedules.


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