Nice fight broke out

hitta · 11-15-2019, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Disagree. Rudolph was fortunate that it was only a glancing blow, if Garrett had a clear shot at him you're talking concussion for sure and possible brain damage. He swung it hard and those helmets are neither soft nor lightweight. I hope they suspend him for a long time to come. Rudolph's agent is considering legal action as well, I hope that happens too. If you wanna pull off a guy's helmet to throw a few punches, fine. Not the most mature thing, but it's not life threatening. This was on a different level altogether. He deserves severe punishment, he needs to be made an example of.

What do you think is more dangerous: Swinging a helmet and hitting someone in the head with it, or wearing a helmet and lunging into someones head/chin with it? Swinging the helmet like that is dangerous, I don't dispute that. The perfect swing could indeed cause brain injury. However, the way he swung it would be unlikely to cause significant damage. He hit him with the bottom of the helmet and he didn't really get a ton of velocity on the swing(there's a linear motion component to the the helmet and not a completely circular motion). Whether this matters or should matter in the overall punishment, I don't know. I do think players have done far worse and have gotten less punishment. For example, the Haynesworth stomp resulted in over 30 stitches in his head. This could have easily blinded Gurode(quite frankly I'm surprised that an eye didn't get hit by the motion that Haynesworth made) and caused all sorts of different complications. Haynesworth got 5 games for this. For the Garrett, just taking everything into account including the time period that we are in and how things are a bit harsher now.. I feel like 3 or 4 games would be about right. 6 games or more(if it goes into next season, that's just ridiculous) just seems excessive and I doubt that it was the result of a authentically objective viewpoint.

frydaddy · 11-15-2019, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

What do you think is more dangerous: Swinging a helmet and hitting someone in the head with it, or wearing a helmet and lunging into someones head/chin with it? Swinging the helmet like that is dangerous, I don't dispute that. The perfect swing could indeed cause brain injury. However, the way he swung it would be unlikely to cause significant damage. He hit him with the bottom of the helmet and he didn't really get a ton of velocity on the swing(there's a linear motion component to the the helmet and not a completely circular motion). Whether this matters or should matter in the overall punishment, I don't know. I do think players have done far worse and have gotten less punishment. For example, the Haynesworth stomp resulted in over 30 stitches in his head. This could have easily blinded Gurode(quite frankly I'm surprised that an eye didn't get hit by the motion that Haynesworth made) and caused all sorts of different complications. Haynesworth got 5 games for this. For the Garrett, just taking everything into account including the time period that we are in and how things are a bit harsher now.. I feel like 3 or 4 games would be about right. 6 games or more(if it goes into next season, that's just ridiculous) just seems excessive and I doubt that it was the result of a authentically objective viewpoint.

Clearly both of those things are dangerous. Hits like that are outlawed at all levels of the sport now. Whether one is more dangerous than the other is debatable. However, it's not so easy to prove malicious intent on a hit that occurs during play. It's a fast and violent sport and a lot of things can happen in a lot of different ways. That said, a guy with a track record should be dealt with harshly too imo. I think Vontaze Burfict should've run out of chances a long time ago. This helmet swing is a pretty clear cut deal though. And the fact that it wasnt a homerun swing right in the sweet spot I think had more to do with the other players between the two of them. James Harrison came out and basically said on the street that would be considered armed assault, and James Harrison wasn't exactly a saint during his playing time. If he had ripped off his helmet and thrown some punches I would've thought that was pretty dumb, but I wouldn't advocate for anything more than ejecting him from the game. I feel like a clear line needs to be drawn in a case like this though. I'm not calling for a lifetime ban, but it should be significant.

I remember the Haynesworth stomp. He should have gotten suspended indefinitely too. Another case of clearly malicious intent that goes beyond just a couple dudes fighting. The league screwed up on that one.

11-15-2019, 12:14 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Nice fight broke out Originally Posted by frydaddy Disagree. Rudolph was fortunate that it was only a glancing blow, if Garrett had a clear shot at him you're talking concussion for sure and possible brain damage. He swung it hard and those helmets are neither soft nor lightweight. I hope they suspend him for a long time to come. Rudolph's agent is considering legal action as well, I hope that happens too. If you wanna pull off a guy's helmet to throw a few punches, fine. Not the most mature thing, but it's not life threatening. This was on a different level altogether. He deserves severe punishment, he needs to be made an example of. What do you think is more dangerous: Swinging a helmet and hitting someone in the head with it, or wearing a helmet and lunging into someones head/chin with it? Swinging the helmet like that is dangerous, I don't dispute that. The perfect swing could indeed cause brain injury. However, the way he swung it would be unlikely to cause significant damage. He hit him with the bottom of the helmet and he didn't really get a ton of velocity on the swing(there's a linear motion component to the the helmet and not a completely circular motion). Whether this matters or should matter in the overall punishment, I don't know. I do think players have done far worse and have gotten less punishment. For example, the Haynesworth stomp resulted in over 30 stitches in his head. This could have easily blinded Gurode(quite frankly I'm surprised that an eye didn't get hit by the motion that Haynesworth made) and caused all sorts of different complications. Haynesworth got 5 games for this. For the Garrett, just taking everything into account including the time period that we are in and how things are a bit harsher now.. I feel like 3 or 4 games would be about right. 6 games or more(if it goes into next season, that's just ridiculous) just seems excessive and I doubt that it was the result of a authentically objective viewpoint.
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11-15-2019, 03:02 PM	#2
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Nice fight broke out Originally Posted by hitta What do you think is more dangerous: Swinging a helmet and hitting someone in the head with it, or wearing a helmet and lunging into someones head/chin with it? Swinging the helmet like that is dangerous, I don't dispute that. The perfect swing could indeed cause brain injury. However, the way he swung it would be unlikely to cause significant damage. He hit him with the bottom of the helmet and he didn't really get a ton of velocity on the swing(there's a linear motion component to the the helmet and not a completely circular motion). Whether this matters or should matter in the overall punishment, I don't know. I do think players have done far worse and have gotten less punishment. For example, the Haynesworth stomp resulted in over 30 stitches in his head. This could have easily blinded Gurode(quite frankly I'm surprised that an eye didn't get hit by the motion that Haynesworth made) and caused all sorts of different complications. Haynesworth got 5 games for this. For the Garrett, just taking everything into account including the time period that we are in and how things are a bit harsher now.. I feel like 3 or 4 games would be about right. 6 games or more(if it goes into next season, that's just ridiculous) just seems excessive and I doubt that it was the result of a authentically objective viewpoint. Clearly both of those things are dangerous. Hits like that are outlawed at all levels of the sport now. Whether one is more dangerous than the other is debatable. However, it's not so easy to prove malicious intent on a hit that occurs during play. It's a fast and violent sport and a lot of things can happen in a lot of different ways. That said, a guy with a track record should be dealt with harshly too imo. I think Vontaze Burfict should've run out of chances a long time ago. This helmet swing is a pretty clear cut deal though. And the fact that it wasnt a homerun swing right in the sweet spot I think had more to do with the other players between the two of them. James Harrison came out and basically said on the street that would be considered armed assault, and James Harrison wasn't exactly a saint during his playing time. If he had ripped off his helmet and thrown some punches I would've thought that was pretty dumb, but I wouldn't advocate for anything more than ejecting him from the game. I feel like a clear line needs to be drawn in a case like this though. I'm not calling for a lifetime ban, but it should be significant. I remember the Haynesworth stomp. He should have gotten suspended indefinitely too. Another case of clearly malicious intent that goes beyond just a couple dudes fighting. The league screwed up on that one.
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