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OldMaid 06-17-2020 09:46 PM

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You are just an idiot looking for a fight. Sorry, none here from me. You are a waste time. I knew you were going to try to clapback. I answered your question. I throughly explained myself. You throw insults. Fine, throwing them back at you.
Exhausting .
I don’t bother ridiculous people. Ignore my posts as I will gladly ignore yours.

Beastmode 06-17-2020 10:18 PM

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Nothing will change. Go ahead and kneel. Viewership will fall off a cliff just like last time. Sponsorship will decline. Anything associated with the NFL will decline in value.

Please do it. Let's finally settle it once and for all. Want to trash black and white serving this country, trying to instill justice, fairness. Go right ahead. You will lose underestimating Pride in the flag. It ain't perfect, but it is America. Take it or leave it.

RetiredFan 06-18-2020 12:35 PM

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If this happens the NFL is dead to me and I will never watch it again. Nor will I buy anything NFL related.

spkb25 06-18-2020 12:42 PM

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You are just an idiot looking for a fight. Sorry, none here from me. You are a waste time. I knew you were going to try to clapback. I answered your question. I throughly explained myself. You throw insults. Fine, throwing them back at you.
Exhausting .
I don’t bother ridiculous people. Ignore my posts as I will gladly ignore yours.

Just try being more honest and less of a hypocrite. Yeah I'm looking for a fight by calling it the way I see it. Youre just mad because you try justifying your stance with utter nonsense

spkb25 06-18-2020 12:47 PM

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Nothing will change. Go ahead and kneel. Viewership will fall off a cliff just like last time. Sponsorship will decline. Anything associated with the NFL will decline in value.

Please do it. Let's finally settle it once and for all. Want to trash black and white serving this country, trying to instill justice, fairness. Go right ahead. You will lose underestimating Pride in the flag. It ain't perfect, but it is America. Take it or leave it.

well that's just it. Go protest at your local legislative office e, police precinct (which the jags did and i thought was awesome) but using your on the field time to virtue signal is pathetic. Drew brees on the utterly pathetic apology tour and his moron of a wife. And qhy? Scared to death to be protested at his HOF induction and/or lose his after football anoouncer job. God, how pathetic. And it is pathetic because he is saying **** he doesn't actually believe to apoease others.

iceshack149 06-18-2020 02:37 PM

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well that's just it. Go protest at your local legislative office e, police precinct (which the jags did and i thought was awesome) but using your on the field time to virtue signal is pathetic. Drew brees on the utterly pathetic apology tour and his moron of a wife. And qhy? Scared to death to be protested at his HOF induction and/or lose his after football anoouncer job. God, how pathetic. And it is pathetic because he is saying **** he doesn't actually believe to apoease others.

I agree with this. We are 4 years after the time when Brees could voice his opinion and there'd be no backlash. Now he has to lie to appease the "teammates" that called him out via social media. I hate that he felt the need to apologize for his opinions.

And why are we hearing from his wife at all? Especially since we've never really heard from her before.

--Side note--
I just got back from the store. A guy saw my Saints shirt and asked how I thought the Saints would do this year. I told him that I don't really care anymore.

That sucks.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2020 03:35 PM

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Nothing will change. Go ahead and kneel. Viewership will fall off a cliff just like last time. Sponsorship will decline. Anything associated with the NFL will decline in value.

Please do it. Let's finally settle it once and for all. Want to trash black and white serving this country, trying to instill justice, fairness. Go right ahead. You will lose underestimating Pride in the flag. It ain't perfect, but it is America. Take it or leave it.

My money is that this will be the most watched NFL season ever and any amount of kneeling, or any other protest, isn't going to affect that. It was a minority that let past protests affect their choice of tuning into the NFL. A very small percentage. The fact is that the vast majority of NFL fans around the world has more interest in the game itself than any theatrics prior to the kickoff.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2020 03:56 PM

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I agree with this. We are 4 years after the time when Brees could voice his opinion and there'd be no backlash. Now he has to lie to appease the "teammates" that called him out via social media. I hate that he felt the need to apologize for his opinions.

And why are we hearing from his wife at all? Especially since we've never really heard from her before.

--Side note--
I just got back from the store. A guy saw my Saints shirt and asked how I thought the Saints would do this year. I told him that I don't really care anymore.

That sucks.

Yes. That sucks for you. Although, the blame doesn't belong on anyone else. It is solely your decision to let something like that affect your thoughts about a simple form of entertainment. Honestly the vast majority of NFL fans don't care at all. They just want to watch the games.

spkb25 06-18-2020 06:56 PM

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I agree with this. We are 4 years after the time when Brees could voice his opinion and there'd be no backlash. Now he has to lie to appease the "teammates" that called him out via social media. I hate that he felt the need to apologize for his opinions.

And why are we hearing from his wife at all? Especially since we've never really heard from her before.

--Side note--
I just got back from the store. A guy saw my Saints shirt and asked how I thought the Saints would do this year. I told him that I don't really care anymore.

That sucks.

It does auck, I've been a fan since 1986. And the injection of politics is going to prove to be their undoing. The height of the NFL is gone and its not going to get better. Why do you think Roger is looking for new fans overseas?

What some people don't understand is to support players that make certain comments or statements is to hold your nose and pretend you don't smell the stink. You have to betray yourself and root for people who are wealthy (because of their talent and hardwork ) because of where they live. It is nauseating. If it doesn't bother someone they'll watch and never miss a beat. I can't stomach it. Drew has been my favorite player and I've admired him for his drive and who he was on and off the field. But now I can't even look at him.

iceshack149 06-19-2020 09:44 AM

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Yes. That sucks for you. Although, the blame doesn't belong on anyone else. It is solely your decision to let something like that affect your thoughts about a simple form of entertainment. Honestly the vast majority of NFL fans don't care at all. They just want to watch the games.

You're correct that simple form of entertainment does affect me and you'd be lying if you said that it doesn't affect you.

You're incorrect in stating that the majority of fans don't care. Every NFL fan I talk to has something to say about the current state of the NFL. Most agree that the players are becoming insufferable brats.

spkb25 06-19-2020 01:12 PM

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You're correct that simple form of entertainment does affect me and you'd be lying if you said that it doesn't affect you.

You're incorrect in stating that the majority of fans don't care. Every NFL fan I talk to has something to say about the current state of the NFL. Most agree that the players are becoming insufferable brats.

Want to prove him wrong, look at just this board. How much football is being discussed vs the politics.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2020 02:19 PM

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You're correct that simple form of entertainment does affect me and you'd be lying if you said that it doesn't affect you.

You're incorrect in stating that the majority of fans don't care. Every NFL fan I talk to has something to say about the current state of the NFL. Most agree that the players are becoming insufferable brats.

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Want to prove him wrong, look at just this board. How much football is being discussed vs the politics.

MOST fans aren't chiming in because they just want football. They don't want to hear your (not you necessarily, but others like you, okay you) constant crap outside of the game.

rezburna 06-19-2020 02:21 PM

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My money is that this will be the most watched NFL season ever and any amount of kneeling, or any other protest, isn't going to affect that. It was a minority that let past protests affect their choice of tuning into the NFL. A very small percentage. The fact is that the vast majority of NFL fans around the world has more interest in the game itself than any theatrics prior to the kickoff.

I can’t wait.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2020 02:32 PM

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You're correct that simple form of entertainment does affect me and you'd be lying if you said that it doesn't affect you.

You're incorrect in stating that the majority of fans don't care. Every NFL fan I talk to has something to say about the current state of the NFL. Most agree that the players are becoming insufferable brats.

Now to you ... the only thing that would affect my enjoyment of the game would be if it didn't take place. Anything political before, during or after will not affect that enjoyment whatsoever. I don't care! Most fans don't care. They are the silent majority that always exists in society. It's basic sociology 101. Those that are out complaining about this or that are a tiny minority that believe others all feel their way. They ask their friends who are the most likely to feel the same way, or at least let on as they do.

I too talk to fans and a few feel as you, but the vast majority just want to have football and beyond that do not let the political ramifications affect that desire.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2020 02:33 PM

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I can’t wait.

You are not alone, my brother.

Beastmode 06-19-2020 02:43 PM

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Can't wait to not watch. Ratings will do a Greg Luganious into a jagged cliff.

spkb25 06-19-2020 02:55 PM

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Can't wait to not watch. Ratings will do a Greg Luganious into a jagged cliff.

They've been decreasing for years, it will continue.

AsylumGuido 06-20-2020 01:58 PM

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Can't wait to not watch. Ratings will do a Greg Luganious into a jagged cliff.

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They've been decreasing for years, it will continue.

The NFL is more popular than it has ever been worldwide. TV numbers are down some, but streaming via all of the many sources are not all taken into consideration in those numbers. I know several people that have gone strictly to streaming for their NFL games, but I'll stick with Sunday Ticket and network TV so that I can watch any and every game I want. Streaming to devices other than smart TV's are not measured by Nielsen Ratings and even all of those that are streamed to smart TV's are not included.

But, yes, TV numbers will continue to decrease as the technology drives more and more dedicated fans to other ways of viewing the sport that they love.

This is all supported by easily researched information. Here is a Forbes article that explains the decline and how it is not related to interest, but rather technology.

The NFL's Ratings Probably Will Continue To Decline

"For one thing, the NFL’s viewership also fell in 2016. Moreover, linear TV watching is on the decline because of the rising numbers of cord cutters among other reasons. The audience for the Super Bowl fell last year to its lowest level since 2009 though the game was one of the most exciting I have seen in years. Even the World Series, which went to seven games, posted a year-over-year viewership slump. The Oscars had its smallest audience in history this year while the Tonys saw a slight year-over-year bump in its viewership thanks to having Bruce Springsteen as a headliner. Unfortunately, viewership was still down when compared with 2016 when Hamilton swept the awards."

All types of measured viewership is down and none of the others can claim to be because of some supposed protest protesters. If it makes a few of you feel all warm and fuzzy by tuning out ... then by all means. The rest of the world will continue to tune in however possible to keep watching the game that they love and enjoy it for what it is ... entertainment.

19-0 Baby!

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iceshack149 06-20-2020 05:23 PM

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Now to you ... the only thing that would affect my enjoyment of the game would be if it didn't take place. Anything political before, during or after will not affect that enjoyment whatsoever. I don't care! Most fans don't care. They are the silent majority that always exists in society. It's basic sociology 101. Those that are out complaining about this or that are a tiny minority that believe others all feel their way. They ask their friends who are the most likely to feel the same way, or at least let on as they do.

I too talk to fans and a few feel as you, but the vast majority just want to have football and beyond that do not let the political ramifications affect that desire.

Dunno. I have a feeling that you really don't want to believe that offending many of the NFL's fanbase by pandering will lead to bad ratings.

AsylumGuido 06-20-2020 06:13 PM

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Dunno. I have a feeling that you really don't want to believe that offending many of the NFL's fanbase by pandering will lead to bad ratings.

No. I know that offending a small number of the fan base will lead to nothing more than frustration by that small number.

You are FAR over estimating your segment of the general public's concern.

Nope. As much as it may disappoint you, interest in the NFL will not decline for any "pandering".

I'll be here this season when you realize that and what to get excited about our Super Bowl run.

19-0 Baby!


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