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Beastmode 09-14-2020 07:30 PM

NFL Rating Down
 
Reports as high as 28% for the weekend. Some saying it needs adjusting. Either way they are down.


Writing was on the wall with Fantasy play down. These are the people who watch all the games. Knock a portion of them out and it's going to happen for the rest of the year.

Posting the most liberal story I could find. They spin it some but ratings are in fact down. Some on here pounced on me for stating this would happen. I don't pounce. Just stating reality.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...gs/ar-BB191vp0

vpheughan 09-15-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 896531)
Reports as high as 28% for the weekend. Some saying it needs adjusting. Either way they are down.


Writing was on the wall with Fantasy play down. These are the people who watch all the games. Knock a portion of them out and it's going to happen for the rest of the year.

Posting the most liberal story I could find. They spin it some but ratings are in fact down. Some on here pounced on me for stating this would happen. I don't pounce. Just stating reality.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...gs/ar-BB191vp0


Ladies and Gentleman, please sit back and enjoy the upcoming song and dance act!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Beastmode 09-15-2020 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 896545)

Ladies and Gentleman, please sit back and enjoy the upcoming song and dance act!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Approx 80 million play Fantasy Football. The industry has stated they are down 10-20% in participation. These people watch many games, not just their home team.

Basic reasoning, that's 8-12 million no longer watching all these games. They might watch their home team but all the other games, no reason to watch anymore.

The NFL numbers will be down the entire season for that reason alone.

skymike 09-15-2020 09:12 AM

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It surprises me how many people will deny the obvious. I understand
there is a passion, and you do not want to read the writing. I am as
saddened, as you will be soon. Although I'm still excited to have so much extra time for other things this Fall, like kayaking.

You did not know a more passionate fan than I was,
and there are a dozen people here, who will confirm that.

MSN is not exactly Fox News, and the fact that they are reporting this suggests a tip and an iceberg.

skymike 09-15-2020 09:17 AM

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upon further review, its from YAHOO, which is even more Marxist than
MSN.

Beastmode 09-15-2020 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 896554)
upon further review, its from YAHOO, which is even more Marxist than
MSN.


Yahoo at least let people comment but they stopped that recently until further notice. Not sure what that means. They did leave them up in the financial section though.

AsylumGuido 09-17-2020 02:33 PM

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NFL opening games dominate TV ratings for Sept. 7-13

By CITY NEWS SERVICE
SEP. 15, 20204:23 PM

The NFL Kickoff Game and the “Sunday Night Football” season opener on NBC drew prime-time television’s largest audiences since the Oscars, despite a drop in viewership from last year’s NFL’s opener.

The Kansas City Chiefs’ 34-20 victory over the Houston Texans in the NFL Kickoff Game averaged 20.632 million viewers, according to live-plus-same-day figures released by Nielsen on Tuesday.

Viewership was 7.2% less than the 22.242 million average for the 2019 NFL Kickoff Game, a 10-3 victory by the Green Bay Packers over the Chicago Bears, the most-watched NFL Kickoff Game since 2016.

Viewership for Thursday’s game was diminished by the defending Super Bowl-champion Chiefs taking a 24-point lead in the fourth quarter, the largest fourth-quarter lead in an NFL Kickoff Game in seven years. It also faced unprecedented sports competition, airing opposite NBA and NHL playoff games.

The NFL Kickoff Game was the most-watched prime-time program since Feb. 9, when ABC’s Oscars telecast averaged a record-low 23.569 million viewers.

The “Sunday Night Football” telecast of the Rams’ 20-17 victory over the Dallas Cowboys in the first event at SoFi Stadium averaged 18.943 million viewers, 14.7% less than the 22.207 million average for the 2019 “Sunday Night Football” opener, a 33-3 victory by the New England Patriots over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Official viewership for nearly all forms of programming has decreased because of increased viewing of streaming programming, including the same program shown on traditional television.

The 2020 figures include out-of-home viewing while the 2019 figures do not.

The two NFL telecasts enabled NBC to average the largest weekly prime-time audience for any network since the Oscars, 7.3 million.

NBC also had the largest audience for a prime-time entertainment program between Sept. 7 and Sunday, with the Tuesday edition of “America’s Got Talent,” which averaged 6.009 million viewers, eighth for the week and second among non-NFL programming.

In a week when the six top-ranked prime-time programs were NFL-related, the most-watched non-NFL-related program was the CBS News magazine “60 Minutes,” which averaged 8.016 million viewers for two-time Pulitzer-prize-winning reporter Bob Woodward’s first interview about the revelations in his new book about President Trump and two previously broadcast segments that were updated.

Fox also benefited from the start of the NFL season. It averaged 3.14 million viewers for its 16 hours of programming to finish second among the major broadcast networks after being mired in fourth place after its telecast of Super Bowl LIV Feb. 2.

Fox was third overall, also trailing Fox News Channel, which averaged 3.234 million viewers. Both networks that finished ahead of Fox aired 22 hours of prime-time programming.

The season premiere of “The Masked Singer” averaged 5.574 million viewers, ninth for the week, third among non-NFL programming and second among entertainment programs.

Outside of its Sunday programming, Fox’s top-ranked program was “WWE’s Friday Night Smackdown” professional wrestling program, which averaged 2.329 million viewers, 32nd among broadcast programs and fifth among Friday broadcast programs. Its overall rank was not available.

CBS was third among the broadcast networks and fourth overall, averaging 2.73 million viewers, one spot ahead of ABC, which averaged 2.38 million.

ABC’s biggest audience was for Friday’s two-hour edition of ABC News magazine “20/20” on the killing of U.S. Army soldier Vanessa Guillen, which averaged 3.665 million viewers, 31st for the week, 25th among non-NFL programs and fourth among Friday programs.

The week’s highest-ranked cable program was the Sept. 8 edition of MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show,”which averaged 5.008 million viewers, 11th overall, and featured an interview with disbarred lawyer Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal attorney.

gosaints1 09-17-2020 02:46 PM

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blah, blah, blah..., a bunch of crap was just thrown at us. Very simple question: Did viewership , year to year decrease? I’ll give you the answer - Yes, it did. And in some cases by double digits. Nothing else matters.

AsylumGuido 09-17-2020 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896766)
blah, blah, blah..., a bunch of crap was just thrown at us. Very simple question: Did viewership , year to year decrease? I’ll give you the answer - Yes, it did. And in some cases by double digits. Nothing else matters.

And how does that matter? There are several reasons why measured viewership numbers have decreased for the NFL, and every other form of programming for that matter, over the past few years. How is that relevant? NFL revenues contine to increase at a rate greater than the measured viewership decreases. I'm just curious as to Beast's point in attempting to point this out incessantly.

Do you have an idea?

Beastmode 09-17-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896770)
And how does that matter? There are several reasons why measured viewership numbers have decreased for the NFL, and every other form of programming for that matter, over the past few years. How is that relevant? NFL revenues contine to increase at a rate greater than the measured viewership decreases. I'm just curious as to Beast's point in attempting to point this out incessantly.

Do you have an idea?


Some forms of programming are up. I think you meant most are down.



Tucker Carlson Has Highest-Rated Program In Cable News History

AsylumGuido 09-17-2020 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 896774)
Some forms of programming are up. I think you meant most are down.



Tucker Carlson Has Highest-Rated Program In Cable News History

:o

:roflmao:

Beastmode 09-17-2020 04:25 PM

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Regardless. I never moved my stake. NFL ratings would be down and they are. I will even double down. They will be down the entire year from last year considerably.

You've already moved your stake. Said they would not be.

AsylumGuido 09-17-2020 04:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 896781)
Regardless. I never moved my stake. NFL ratings would be down and they are. I will even double down. They will be down the entire year from last year considerably.

You've already moved your stake. Said they would not be.

Explain why that seems so important to you.

Beastmode 09-17-2020 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896783)
Explain why that seems so important to you.


Why was it important for you to say they would not be. Maybe just own it and move on instead of making tortured excuses on why you were wrong.

I was going off fantasy participation alone. If that is down viewership will be down. I never mentioned any other reason. It's common sense.

You were also wrong about all shows viewership being down but whatever. Keep making your hole deeper. Just makes you look bitter and spiteful.

SmashMouth 09-18-2020 03:57 AM

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AsylumGuido 09-18-2020 07:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 896801)
Why was it important for you to say they would not be. Maybe just own it and move on instead of making tortured excuses on why you were wrong.

I was going off fantasy participation alone. If that is down viewership will be down. I never mentioned any other reason. It's common sense.

You were also wrong about all shows viewership being down but whatever. Keep making your hole deeper. Just makes you look bitter and spiteful.

No. You completely missed the point of my question. Why is it so important to you that the NFL ratings be lower?

You do make one good point, however. Fantasy and sports betting do draw a sizable audience to the NFL. With the ongoing pandemic and uncertainty surrounding the NFL season there had to have been a drop in participation of the first and with sports books down it would lower the second, as well.

AsylumGuido 09-18-2020 07:16 AM

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https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e8&oe=5F897C5F

jeanpierre 09-18-2020 08:30 AM

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Networks were exposed for lying to the American public re: suppression polls in 2016 elections, so why wouldn't they lie about their viewership share?

They've got a monetary interest to show the numbers are up in leverage with potential advertisers, they're just not going to be forthcoming...

I've a small business where I interact with a couple hundred folks every two weeks, it's kinda of a ole barbershop feel in the Will Call Counter with a very diverse group of people...

In the two weeks leading up to the HOU vs KC game, as well as the Saints Opener, it was a constant complaint of folks saying they weren't watching the Saints...

While I expected some negative remarks, didn't expect it to the level it was; and I've got Saints, Red Sox, Celtics memorabilia (which I considered politically neutral till recent events) clearly on display...

Even if half those folks were full of sh*t and ended up watching the game, there was still a healthy sampling (at least more than networks sampling in their conference rooms) that the NFL has a problem...

It's a fool's errand to defend the numbers if they're up because the networks have a history of no credibility and have compromised integrity as they've got a monetary interests to boost themselves...

The only thing that you'd have to notice is if they admitted viewership is down amid a pandemic when, if anything, folks aren't working, home on Sunday and numbers should be way up and they're not watching...

AsylumGuido 09-18-2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 896815)
Networks were exposed for lying to the American public re: suppression polls in 2016 elections, so why wouldn't they lie about their viewership share?

They've got a monetary interest to show the numbers are up in leverage with potential advertisers, they're just not going to be forthcoming...

I've a small business where I interact with a couple hundred folks every two weeks, it's kinda of a ole barbershop feel in the Will Call Counter with a very diverse group of people...

In the two weeks leading up to the HOU vs KC game, as well as the Saints Opener, it was a constant complaint of folks saying they weren't watching the Saints...

While I expected some negative remarks, didn't expect it to the level it was; and I've got Saints, Red Sox, Celtics memorabilia (which I had been politically neutral till recently) clearly on display...

Even if half those folks were full of sh*t and ended up watching the game, there was still a healthy sampling (at least more than networks sampling in their conference rooms) that the NFL has a problem...

It's a fool's errand to defend the numbers if they're up because the networks have a history of no credibility and have compromised integrity as they've got a monetary interests to boost themselves...

The only thing that you'd have to notice is if they admitted viewership is down amid a pandemic when, if anything, folks aren't working, home on Sunday and numbers should be way up and they're not watching...

Viewership is measured by third parties such as Nielsen using statistical sampling.

Sure the numbers are down. I've heard people say they weren't going to watch, as well. Some have even said they want to hit the NFL in its pocketbook where it hurts. That's the whole point I have been making all along. These people do not realize that the NFL's revenues are tied to advertising dollars. Advertising dollars are not tied to overall viewership numbers as some believe. They are tied to relative viewing numbers. Companies have advertising budgets and they are going to spend that money. The programming that they spend that money on are the shows that are the highest rated as opposed to others. Even with reduced overall viewership the NFL still blows all other programming out of the water. They are going to continue to receive the ever increasing advertising dollars for that reason alone. While final numbers were down 7.2% for the opening game last Thursday, revenues for that game were up over 10% over the previous opening Thursday.

Fine, if someone wants to not watch the NFL for philosophical reasons, then good for them and I support their freedom to do so. But, to think that they are sticking it to the NFL by not watching they are spinning their wheels.

One must also realize that most all of these advertisers are all onboard with the current political agendas. Some ten percent of the normal viewing population bowing out isn't going to affect their numbers, either. The group they target are the 18-49 demographic. That's what drives their numbers.

Tuning out may hurt the NFL's pride, but it most certainly will not affect their bottom line to any material degree. However, that could be done through stopping branded merchandise purchases, I suppose. When they have to mark that stuff down I can get mine cheaper!

:bng:

spkb25 10-12-2020 07:58 AM

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-ratings...203827189.html

"
But it’s also clear that many of the people who once watched the league are, for whatever reason, finding something else to do with their Sundays."

Does anyone have any ideas what the reason could be? It is a mystery, for some, apparently.

shawnkytonk 10-12-2020 05:06 PM

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I don't care what other people do. Carry on with the whining.

spkb25 10-12-2020 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 899664)
I don't care what other people do. Carry on with the whining.

The only people winning are those still pretending the ratings haven't dropped significantly. Don't worry, the impact will be felt soon. Wait until the first year the cap doesn't increase 😁😆😆😆😆

OldMaid 10-14-2020 08:54 PM

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Money has everything to do with everything and that is ok.
Profits need to be made. Profits are from ratings. One source is ratings.
NFL cancels ProBowl 2021 from this season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/las-vegas-r...185017403.html
Getting an audience there, festivities week I guess from Vegas Raiders, special entertainment concerts at the stadium , and selling big tv ads just wont be profitable .
ProBowl is never a big ratings show, but I assume having it on LV was to showcase the Raiders new home. Plus, Vegas is a central kind of popular trip place that is not too costly like Hawaii or London.

NFL ratings are down, but still very high by all reports out there. NFL , in a ratings battle against itself, still has high ratings, but just lower than what it was.
Lots of factors right now for so many various reasons we can list on and on.
Reschedule of games.
Politics in the game.
Pandemic.
Election news coverage .
Audience not here in the stadiums so the effect is on the hype and excitement.
An attachment to the game.
And more things.
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/202...atings-tanking

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/202...ng-tv-ratings/

Sunday NightFootball did better than NBA Finals . People chose NFL over NBA according to this report.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...154943634.html

Beastmode 10-14-2020 09:48 PM

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Rating should be up with people at home. They are not and I stated this before the season with FF down. Claiming ratings are down for everything is also false. Many shows have higher ratings so they can't claim it's because ratings are down across the board. Some shows are way up so it does not add up.

Ratings are down for the NFL for bashing police and military end of the day. They chose to die on this hill so they will die on it. Not any harder than that.

Vrillon82 10-15-2020 12:21 AM

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I dont see how NBA ratings dont tank TBH.

Not like it was 1-2 decades ago, championships today are won by buying the best players on the market, like why bother watching when you know the Lakers are gonna win it all?

Least it not like this with the NFL despite you know who they want in it at times.

gosaints1 10-15-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 900253)
Rating should be up with people at home. They are not and I stated this before the season with FF down. Claiming ratings are down for everything is also false. Many shows have higher ratings so they can't claim it's because ratings are down across the board. Some shows are way up so it does not add up.

Ratings are down for the NFL for bashing police and military end of the day. They chose to die on this hill so they will die on it. Not any harder than that.

I agree with everything you’ve said, except the “hill to die on” portion. Revenue from TV broadcast is roughly 50% of revenue associated with the NFL. As you’ve stated before the way we watch our entertainment has changed, considerably, and will continue to change. Ppl are cutting cable cords, there is telecasting and individual sub streams, among many other ways to watch the games. The NFL has seen this, and is/has/will adapt to it. Bottom line, advertisers will still dump their money into the NFL, over pretty much everything else, bc..., Since the 2020 season began, the top 15 most watched shows have been NFL games. I just don’t see it getting any worse than what it is right now. Me not watching won’t amount to a thing, outside of appeasing my own internal conscience, or virtue signaling how patriotic and loving of the police I am.

I won’t bash ppl for not watching, heck I understand it, and in quite a few cases agree with the reasons for doing so. But, the “I’ma boycott <thingamabob>” crowd just isn’t me. I don’t think I’m alone.

Beastmode 10-15-2020 11:10 AM

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I'm not bashing anyone just stating the ratings would be through the roof if they take politics out of sports for good. Sports unites people and the main reason New Orleans even has a team. They sold it on relieving racial tension. Politics divides everyone.


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