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44Champs 01-09-2021 12:30 PM

Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
He did such a good job w our LBs when he was here. Is bringing him back in some capacity an option?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...an-source-says

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jeanpierre 01-09-2021 02:57 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Get. Nolan. Back.

Lord_Saint83 01-09-2021 06:19 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
He might be a sh*tty DC but he’s a damn good LB coach

gosaints1 01-09-2021 07:55 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Bring him back as a position coach. Not a coordinator pos’n.

vpheughan 01-09-2021 09:00 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
G.W. to the 'Boys!!!

RailBoss 01-09-2021 10:26 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 910740)
G.W. to the 'Boys!!!

That would be fitting..

jeanpierre 01-10-2021 12:53 AM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 910725)
He might be a sh*tty DC but he’s a damn good LB coach

How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones?

Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference


Year Job Team Def Rank

1993 DC NYG 1

1994 DC NYG 8

1995 DC NYG 16

1996 DC NYG 10

1997 DC WAS 8

1998 DC WAS 28

1999 DC WAS 24

2000 DC NYJ 13

2002 DC BAL 19

2003 DC BAL 6

2004 DC BAL 6

2005 HC SF 30

2006 HC SF 32

2007 HC SF 20

2008 HC SF 23

2009 DC DEN 12

2010 DC MIA 14

2011 DC MIA 6

2012 DC ATL 5

2013 DC ATL 27

2014 DC ATL 27

vpheughan 01-10-2021 12:20 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Years Coached
33
Record
263-253-2
Win %
50.97
Playoff Record
11-11
Playoff Win%
50%
Average Defense ranking 15.95 out of 32. He is what his record says he his a 50/50 coach.

gosaints1 01-10-2021 12:40 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 910748)
How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones?

Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference


Year Job Team Def Rank

1993 DC NYG 1

1994 DC NYG 8

1995 DC NYG 16

1996 DC NYG 10

1997 DC WAS 8

1998 DC WAS 28

1999 DC WAS 24

2000 DC NYJ 13

2002 DC BAL 19

2003 DC BAL 6

2004 DC BAL 6

2005 HC SF 30

2006 HC SF 32

2007 HC SF 20

2008 HC SF 23

2009 DC DEN 12

2010 DC MIA 14

2011 DC MIA 6

2012 DC ATL 5

2013 DC ATL 27

2014 DC ATL 27

I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.

SmashMouth 01-10-2021 02:38 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
He's better than Joe Vitt as a LBR coach.

jeanpierre 01-11-2021 11:55 AM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 910787)
I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.

Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

Lord_Saint83 01-11-2021 12:56 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 910804)
He's better than Joe Vitt as a LBR coach.



Joe Vitt is a joke

gosaints1 01-11-2021 03:15 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 911318)
Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

AsylumGuido 01-11-2021 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 911337)
But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

ChrisXVI 01-11-2021 05:21 PM

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gosaints1 01-11-2021 07:19 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 911345)
More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

Change the timeline all you wish..., but Since JJ has been the owner of the Cowboys, 1989, 31 years ago, he has 3 (three) SB wins.

Since the Benson Boogie train has been in place, 4 (four) years before that, 1985, iirc, the Saints have 1 (One).

3 (three) is greater than 1 (one). I won’t pick an arbitrary timeline, one of my own creation, in order to deliberately mislead folks. I’ll use the entire timeline and accomplishments by both, in their respective timelines. One set of years is “cherry picking” (yours) and the other set is unambiguously factual (mine). Unless I made an error in their ownership dates. Entirely possible, lol.

“Relevancy” is a word I did not use, I used the word effective. And the reason I used effective is bc I very clearly think winning three times as many Super Bowl’s in fewer years is a more effective ownership paradigm..., that is if you use championships as the goal of each team at the beginning of each season. If you’re of the mindset that sitting around a drum circle signing folks songs is the better “goal” to determine effectiveness, then so be it. I use championships.

jeanpierre 05-07-2021 11:00 AM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Solid Arguments defending Mike Nolan's effort in Dallas...


gosaints1 05-07-2021 12:34 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 920351)
Solid Arguments defending Mike Nolan's effort in Dallas...

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/st...55170443456512

Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching.

He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc:

1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close.

2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season.

3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings.

4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed.

5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed.

6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game.

7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch.

meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job.

jeanpierre 05-07-2021 01:27 PM

Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 920356)
Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching.

He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc:

1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close.

2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season.

3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings.

4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed.

5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed.

6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game.

7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch.

meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job.

But if you look at the previous seasons, you can see the defense was getting exposed more and more; and the team just wasn't hitting on their draft picks, especially secondary...


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