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Another year they get very close to their second Super Bowl with a future HOF QB and another year they can’t get over the hump. It just ain’t easy.

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Difference is GB didn't have their QB try to hide an injury for a year.

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That's the bit that annoys me, everyone knows what Brees has done for us. But if you are playing him when he can barely make a 10 yard pass, then it's just selfish.

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That made this hurt even more. If we had just a little more on offense we would be in our 2nd SuperBowl.

This one is going to hurt for awhile especially if we end up having to gut this team.

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I think people are piling on Brees too much. If Cook doesn’t fumble I feel they win that game. If Hill was healthy and Harris didn’t get hurt I feel they win that game. Sure Brees is at the end, but The team could have won it all with him this year.

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Let's also not forget the TD punt return taken for block in the back.

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Having a QB that can't throw deep anymore is not a recipe for winning football games.

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Barely complete a 10 yard pass is highly overstating it.

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Look at the GB loss. They couldn’t push the ball downfield against Tampa when it counted any better than the Saints did. Has Rogers lost his arm strength too ?

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Fair enough, but having one who can doesn’t ensure success either.

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All I’m saying is Tampa just beat us at home and just beat GB at home. One team has a QB that can’t throw deep, one is the best at throwing deep. Both teams could have defeated Tampa if plays would have gone their way. Blaming on Drew’s weak arm is a cop out.

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When a team knows they don't have to defend deep it makes their job easier and yours a helluva lot harder.

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After losing his past three NFC Championship Game appearances and going 1-3 over his career in this game, Rodgers is attempting to avoid becoming just the third QB to have fewer than two wins and more than three losses in conference title matchups (Ken Stabler and Donovan McNabb are both 1-4)

Let's here what a "failure" Brees and the Saints are again!

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Our defense is better than GBs and kept us in the game. Those three interceptions were horrible as well. While Cooks fumble was huge, we still weren’t able to really move the ball on offense before or after. That opening drive should have been a TD. We didn’t even attempt anything in the end zone. There were plenty of times when Brees had WRs down field and he didn’t pull the trigger...Why is that? Then go look at Brees stats for the the Bucs. If you are going to play the short passing game you better be accurate and have some zip on the short passes so you can actually complete them. Brees had neither.

I’m not saying that Hill or Winston would have won the game but I think we all just wonder what could have been with a QB that would have at least tried to test the defense.

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This is one of the few SP-era playoff game losses that can be blamed on the offense.

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I still think what doomed us besides the INT's the Cook fumble and the TD callback was Taysom being out.
He was able to duck in and out of plays and kept our Offense unpredictable.

With Taysom holding the clipboard on the bench the Arians Man knew Brees was a sitting duck.

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I agree 100%!

I will always believe that the Saints would have beaten KC with Hill at QB.

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Yeah, but my boat is better than yours. :p

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Facts.

Just looking at some of Baldy's breakdown on that Tampa/Saints game, Bowles often had 3, 4 guys trail with Alvin. 4 defenders, leaving Mike and Sanders with man coverage.

One of the only times the Bucs were "tricked" is when AK was under center/wildcat, tossed it to Jameis and he slung it 40 yards to a high school wide open 3quan.

It was obvious that they didn't respect the deep pass from Brees.

For 2021, I simply want to see our next QB stretch the field & keep defenses honest.

** Edit - Jameis threw it 50 + yards with little effort.

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Total BS on the throw. The ball that Winston threw was 28 air yards so don't give me this 50 yard crap and it was a throw I could have made. The key was coverage broke down and 4 defenders went after Kamara on the wheel route.

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Trust your eyes Buds.

I think it's a bit short sighted if you don't think Jameis has a strong arm. My point here is that you need a QB who can stretch the field. Brees can no longer do that & Emmanuel S/Deonte/3quan have been limited because of it. My illustration had nothing to do with Tampa's broken down coverage on that play.

Why do you think Sean rotated Taysom in on passing plays throughout the course of the season? Again, my point of emphasis here is that you must be able to stretch the field to keep defenses honest.

Bowles game plan was a lot less complicated knowing his free safety didn't have to stay back deep.

And no, you couldn't have made that throw :p

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KC now is what we would have looked like if Payton bothered to get Brees a D in his prime.

Brees arm is done, our playoff exits look so familiar because all those playoff teams know the blueprint.

Clog the middle of the field and take away Brees' checkdowns, when that happens he can't exploit one on one coverage deep like he used to, because he doesn't have the arm to get it there anymore.

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Hash mark to hash mark, it was roughly 40 yards in the air, give or take a few feet in either direction. Winston was on the 34 when he let the ball loose, Smith was on the 27, maybe 26 when he hauled it in and completed the pass.

Regardless of which defender went which way, it was nice to see a Saints QB let loose on a pass, without hesitation or second guessing into a check down. Just let your receiver run under your pass. It is definitely missing in this offense. Personally, I don’t care who is under center, I just want to see more passes like that. A lot more.

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Let's not forget it is all scripted and the story was written for TB12 to play in the Superbowl this year. Also the only year the NFL and host city would WANT the home team to play in the Superbowl, because of the restrictions due to Covid. Otherwise, think of all the tourist revenue they would miss in Tampa for the week.

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Could taysom have played. He wasn’t walking with a limp what I saw. Or was the game a swan song for Drew with no outside help at QB. Did it backfire on Payton thinking Drew Brees alone could get pass the bucs a third time. ? Just throwing crap out there like u hear out there.

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We had all the pieces we needed to have success in spite of any drop off in Drew’s play. When Taysom and Murray went down those pieces went away. They built this team with Brees decline in mind and the offense was tailor made to succeed in spite of that. With Taysom and Murray in the game to take some of that pressure off Brees we would have stomped Tampa. I blame injury for our post season problems as of late more so than I do the players and coaching.

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That was my first reaction , it was only half our winning offense. In place, we got half the score we should have.


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To be quite honest I think there was no doubt Jameis was going deep be damned if it looked good or not, lol

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You think Drew hid his injuries from the team?

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Never said Winston didn't have a strong arm. Of course he does but Tampa is in the superbowl with the same team he had in 2019 that he could only get to 7-9. Just because you can throw the ball 60 yards doesn't mean victory. Lot's of those throws become 3rd down punts as ints. I don't believe he is our answer. Great route running can do the same as stretching the field. Thomas is our best route runner but his ankle had him limited and he couldn't get off the press at the line. Harris has the potential to be our poor man's Tyreek Hill if he can stay healthy. Brees is probably done but I would be alright if he came back for another year even if it's just for salary cap purposes. The past 15 years we have only had 5 QB's start a game for the Saints. 3 due to injury and 1 due to resting starters for our superbowl run and Brees. The 15 years before that we had 17 different QB's. Us older fans remember the instability and terrible play at QB and it's difficult to just say Brees is done because he can't throw 50 yards. Plenty of folks here are spoiled with our recent success and don't remember when the only games on TV were the road games because 55,000 fans weren't enough to lift local blackouts. I'm prepared to see us struggle until we find a suitable replacement. I was a fan with Archie and when we were playing the 3 different Bobby's, the 2 Wilson's the 2 Billy Joes and a host of others. I'll still be here when we figure out who our next one will be. I just don't believe it is Winston. I hope he can prove me wrong. And Major, whenever you want to drink on it, I'll throw you a few passes.

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Speaking of that play, I was really surprised the "genius" Lefluer didn't dust it off against Tampa.

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I didn't forget.
So much for your broad stroked EVERYONE, but I forget "It's The Right Way"

"The Right Way To Have It Both Ways"

For those of my detractors of my criticism of Brees' inability to get the ball downfield,(THE GUT PUNCH)......... please don't discount my love and appreciation for what he went through and gave to the greater Saints community...(THE PAT ON THE BACK)

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Agreed, nor did I forget (actually I doubt most here forgot Drew’s injury history), but Drew has aged, he’s gotten old. It’s that simple. I don’t see the issue surrounding any of us saying “Drew was the best but his age and injuries are forcing a move forward, without him”. This team is not just Drew Brees, it hasn’t been for years now. A decade ago? Yes. Now? No.

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You know JP it’s perfectly said I’m in the same boat on this with Drew. I can’t understand people go off the wall when some say it’s time to move on without our hero. People saying be careful what we wish for. U don’t think we know we’re going to go thru hell possibly to get back to building this team back up to contenders. It’s time folks


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