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AsylumGuido 07-18-2021 04:00 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923300)
#SeanPaytonHatesLSU :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...08456875659269
Yet over the past twenty years the Saints have selected basically the same number of LSU draftees as has the league average. Looks like they have the same opinion as the rest of the league. If the Saints hate LSU so does the entire NFL. Go figure.

jeanpierre 07-19-2021 02:52 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923340)
Yet over the past twenty years the Saints have selected basically the same number of LSU draftees as has the league average. Looks like they have the same opinion as the rest of the league. If the Saints hate LSU so does the entire NFL. Go figure.
Believe the Saints bring down the league average; in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double...

It is what it is, Sean has had an aversion to taking LSU players, and certainly favors certain schools up north instead...

AsylumGuido 07-19-2021 04:14 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923373)
Believe the Saints bring down the league average; in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double...

It is what it is, Sean has had an aversion to taking LSU players, and certainly favors certain schools up north instead...
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 08:38 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923378)
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)
Post was about Payton hating LSU, and Sean has only been here since 2006, this is 2021; do you need math tutoring in addition to reading comprehension?

Don't even have to drag you anymore, you're doing it yourself - So you killed you're own lengthy, but faulty argument with 20 years...

Thanks for playing, you're #WrongAgain...

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AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 09:30 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923386)
Post was about Payton hating LSU, and Sean has only been here since 2006, this is 2021; do you need math tutoring in addition to reading comprehension?

Don't even have to drag you anymore, you're doing it yourself - So you killed you're own lengthy, but faulty argument with 20 years...

Thanks for playing, you're #WrongAgain...

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Yes, the numbers were based upon twenty years. But you claimed that if you removed the Saints picks from the numbers the average would double. Wrong.

I could do the same exercise over the past 15 years if you wish. The fact remains that such a small percentage of the total number of players drafted are from LSU that any one team out of 32 will be statistically insignificant.

Besides, what makes LSU players so desirable anymore so than players from Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Oregon, USC, Clemson, Miami, etc? The average number of LSU players drafted by any team over the past 15 years would still be around three.

You need to take off your purple and gold homer glasses.

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 09:46 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923391)
Yes, the numbers were based upon twenty years. But you claimed that if you removed the Saints picks from the numbers the average would double. Wrong.

I could do the same exercise over the past 15 years if you wish. The fact remains that such a small percentage of the total number of players drafted are from LSU that any one team out of 32 will be statistically insignificant.

Besides, what makes LSU players so desirable anymore so than players from Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Oregon, USC, Clemson, Miami, etc? The average number of LSU players drafted by any team over the past 15 years would still be around three.

You need to take off your purple and gold homer glasses.
You asked for an example to show when you were wrong, and you provided it...

I'm sure in your zeal you thought you had something, must be deflating to have based all those stats on incorrect parameters...

And in so far as LSU, I'm an SEC first - I favor the strongest team in the conference that year, so I can't claim to be a LSU diehard homer...

So your assumption is wrong as well...

AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 10:41 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923394)
You asked for an example to show when you were wrong, and you provided it...

I'm sure in your zeal you thought you had something, must be deflating to have based all those stats on incorrect parameters...

And in so far as LSU, I'm an SEC first - I favor the strongest team in the conference that year, so I can't claim to be a LSU diehard homer...

So your assumption is wrong as well...
Not deflating at all. The premise still stands. With an average of only six LSU players drafted per year with 32 teams drafting each year a maximum of only six teams on average have drafted an LSU in a given year. That means that at minimum 81% of NFL front offices across the NFL have passed on LSU players completely in the average draft. That, my friend is simple math. I suppose all of those teams, using your logic, must have an aversion to LSU players, as well, huh? I suppose there may be a reason why so many teams have an aversion toward LSU players.

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 11:15 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923397)
Not deflating at all. The premise still stands. With an average of only six LSU players drafted per year with 32 teams drafting each year a maximum of only six teams on average have drafted an LSU in a given year. That means that at minimum 81% of NFL front offices across the NFL have passed on LSU players completely in the average draft. That, my friend is simple math. I suppose all of those teams, using your logic, must have an aversion to LSU players, as well, huh? I suppose there may be a reason why so many teams have an aversion toward LSU players.
Still can't admit you're wrong - it's pathological...

AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 11:29 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923401)
Still can't admit you're wrong - it's pathological...
Because I am not wrong. Sean Payton has no more of an aversion to LSU players than does any other coach in the NFL. It's all in the numbers. So few players split between so many possible landing spots means a the number of selections from any given team will be minimal.

But if it feeds your individual desire to find faults with the coaching staff and the front office, blast away.

:rolleyes:

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 05:10 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Six of your seven points you argued twenty year numbers when Sean Payton has only been here since 2006...

You. Are. Wrong.


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