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Boston Saint 05-04-2021 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920145)
Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.
One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.

AsylumGuido 05-04-2021 10:16 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 920146)
One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.
What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.

Boston Saint 05-04-2021 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920147)
What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.
That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.

AsylumGuido 05-04-2021 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 920149)
That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.
Weis is an ex-coach. Big difference from the so-called experts that never spent a minute in the front office in real decision making. Former coaches and GM's consistently downplay the whole draft pre and post evaluations in the media and fanbase.

And, no, I don't call what you mentioned a blunder. It's simply a pick that didn't work out. It happens all the time for one reason or another. Welcome to the real world of NFL football, my friend. You take the bad with the good and move on. Or, you can dwell on the past b!tchin' and moanin' about isolated things that no one else that matters cares in the least about. To me THAT is silly. Your choice.

;)

:bng:

Boston Saint 05-04-2021 11:32 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920150)
Weis is an ex-coach. Big difference from the so-called experts that never spent a minute in the front office in real decision making. Former coaches and GM's consistently downplay the whole draft pre and post evaluations in the media and fanbase.

And, no, I don't call what you mentioned a blunder. It's simply a pick that didn't work out. It happens all the time for one reason or another. Welcome to the real world of NFL football, my friend. You take the bad with the good and move on. Or, you can dwell on the past b!tchin' and moanin' about isolated things that no one else that matters cares in the least about. To me THAT is silly. Your choice.

;)

:bng:
What you call *****ing and moaning I call reflection and evaluation. Something that all intelligent people, including those in the Saints front office, should do frequently. I know my opinions don’t matter to the front office. But it is part of my enjoyment in watching football and following the Saints.

One could apply your “logic” to investing. Obviously not every stock/bond/property etc. goes well. Do you just blow off the ones that didn’t as “Oh Well, that’s real world” or do you study and try to figure out why it didn’t work out to avoid repeating the same mistakes? Do you research an investment beforehand through “experts” that have failed before, or do you pull a Weis and say “to hell what anyone else says, here is where I’m going to put my money”? I doubt you do, but it would be equally as silly as what the Saints did with Baptiste and likely produce the same tragic results.

You put the Saints draft procedure on a bullet-proof pedestal and refuse to find any fault living in denial. That is of course your right to do. But that is what I find ridiculous.

AsylumGuido 05-04-2021 11:56 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 920151)
What you call *****ing and moaning I call reflection and evaluation. Something that all intelligent people, including those in the Saints front office, should do frequently. I know my opinions don’t matter to the front office. But it is part of my enjoyment in watching football and following the Saints.

One could apply your “logic” to investing. Obviously not every stock/bond/property etc. goes well. Do you just blow off the ones that didn’t as “Oh Well, that’s real world” or do you study and try to figure out why it didn’t work out to avoid repeating the same mistakes? Do you research an investment beforehand through “experts” that have failed before, or do you pull a Weis and say “to hell what anyone else says, here is where I’m going to put my money”? I doubt you do, but it would be equally as silly as what the Saints did with Baptiste and likely produce the same tragic results.

You put the Saints draft procedure on a bullet-proof pedestal and refuse to find any fault living in denial. That is of course your right to do. But that is what I find ridiculous.
I'm sure the Saints evaluated how Baptiste (and others) turned out and took note and moved on. They all undoubtedly did far more reflection and evaluation than any fan has ever dreamed of doing. But what the Saints, and every other team, does not do is give a flying rat's arse about what any fan or so-called expert has to say. Nor should they.

So those few fans can just continue to stress over some guy named Baptiste while the real world of football moves on.

What I find comical is that some fans see their reflections and evaluations as having some sort of actual value ... much like those stocks you referenced. In what material manner does their reflections and evaluations of those football moves add any value? Personal pleasure of some sort, I get, I imagine. But beyond that? Nada.

:D

Boston Saint 05-04-2021 12:44 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920152)
I'm sure the Saints evaluated how Baptiste (and others) turned out and took note and moved on. They all undoubtedly did far more reflection and evaluation than any fan has ever dreamed of doing. But what the Saints, and every other team, does not do is give a flying rat's arse about what any fan or so-called expert has to say. Nor should they.

So those few fans can just continue to stress over some guy named Baptiste while the real world of football moves on.

What I find comical is that some fans see their reflections and evaluations as having some sort of actual value ... much like those stocks you referenced. In what material manner does their reflections and evaluations of those football moves add any value? Personal pleasure of some sort, I get, I imagine. But beyond that? Nada.

:D
You are delusional if you believe I think my opinion matters to the Saints. You’ve brought that up a couple of times now with no basis in fact or evidence to support that claim. I’ve never expressed that belief and it is yet another thing you are wrong about. You are the one who has Demonstrated high praise for their own opinions.

Boston Saint 05-04-2021 01:03 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920152)
I'm sure the Saints evaluated how Baptiste (and others) turned out and took note and moved on. They all undoubtedly did far more reflection and evaluation than any fan has ever dreamed of doing.
Why would they take note and evaluate the Baptiste pick? According to you they didn’t make any mistake and the pick shouldn’t be scrutinized because these things happen. Forget and move on! No need to evaluate that descision...or are you crawfishing now and saying the pick WAS bungled?

AsylumGuido 05-04-2021 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 920154)
You are delusional if you believe I think my opinion matters to the Saints. You’ve brought that up a couple of times now with no basis in fact or evidence to support that claim. I’ve never expressed that belief and it is yet another thing you are wrong about. You are the one who has Demonstrated high praise for their own opinions.
I figured you knew better than believing that your reflecting and evaluating are of any interest to the Saints. Whew! That restores my faith. Then what is the goal of your reflection and evaluation? You eluded to it being something that would value the Saints, but I'm sure you'll agree that they already do far more of that than any of us. Right? How is a fan's dwelling on an individual draft choice from seven years ago relevant today? I'm curious.

:confused:

AsylumGuido 05-04-2021 01:15 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 920155)
Why would they take note and evaluate the Baptiste pick? According to you they didn’t make any mistake and the pick shouldn’t be scrutinized because these things happen. Forget and move on! No need to evaluate that descision...or are you crawfishing now and saying the pick WAS bungled?
Nope. LOL! Not at all. At no point have I ever said they never make picks in the draft that don't work out. I've said that is the nature of the draft. I'm sure they reflect upon and evaluate every pick, whether they work out or not. It's what professionals do. That doesn't mean they bungled anything or blundered.

If you split a pair of aces and two deuces are turned have you bungled the hand or blundered? Nope. Sometimes things just don't work out.


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