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SmashMouth 07-15-2021 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 923112)
Report: Marcus Williams, Saints unlikely to beat deadline for long-term deal

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ong-term-deal/

Per Underhill : "Deadline to sign Marcus Williams has passed without a deal, per source. Saints made a strong offer but they’ll have to wait to try again".
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923113)
Can't blame Marcus and agent waiting for a more favorable cap year - he's the most underrated player on this Saints defense...

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...65023645855744
It’s probably better to tag him twice rather than pay an inflated price, especially since he whiffed on a game saving tackle that would have earned us a SuperBowl berth.

K Major 07-15-2021 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 923134)
It’s probably better to tag him twice rather than pay an inflated price, especially since he wiffed on a game saving tackle that would have earned us a SuperBowl berth.
Hard to assume that one Smash. You still had to get through a red hot Philly team the following week. No guarantees we would have won.

The Dude 07-15-2021 07:51 PM
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It’s probably better to tag him twice rather than pay an inflated price, especially since he wiffed on a game saving tackle that would have earned us a SuperBowl berth.
Nobody in the league was beating Philly that year. Nobody. They just had the “it” factor. Just like we did in 06.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 923134)
It’s probably better to tag him twice rather than pay an inflated price, especially since he wiffed on a game saving tackle that would have earned us a SuperBowl berth.
He only whiffed because he was told not to create a foul. That's not on him.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 923163)
Nobody in the league was beating Philly that year. Nobody. They just had the “it” factor. Just like we did in 06.
Respectfully, we'd tore Philly a new arsehole - Sean going out-of-character conservative vs MIN HC, his kryptonite, did us in...

SmashMouth 07-15-2021 09:28 PM
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jeanpierre 07-15-2021 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 923134)
It’s probably better to tag him twice rather than pay an inflated price, especially since he whiffed on a game saving tackle that would have earned us a SuperBowl berth.
Usually when the Saints Front Office has extended a player, it's been cheaper than franchise tagging them over and over...

Thought they'd learned their lesson with Drew on that one...

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 923178)
Mike Triplett is tripping - Using ProBowls to equate NFL success is a non-sequitur...

Case in point - In 2019, Ryan Ramczyk had one of the most dominant performances by an offensive line in NFL history...

Ramz allowed only one (1) sack all season, all the while facing no less than probably nine (9) future HOF DEs with only two (2) Holding and two (2) Offside Calls...

Source: https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...offensive-line

Ryan Ramczyk wasn't named to the ProBowl that year, though he was All-Pro, so ProBowls are not a valid indicator of NFL success...

If this were the NY, Philly, ATL, Chicago, Dallas, or L.A. Saints, Marcus Williams would have been All-Pro his rookie year, let alone have been named to the Pro-Bowl...

As I stated earlier in the thread, it's a gamble, but the right move for him is to wait till next season when the cap number should escalate as much as 20%...

Williams with another great season and that cap number higher should give him all the leverage...

SmashMouth 07-16-2021 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923165)
Respectfully, we'd tore Philly a new arsehole - Sean going out-of-character conservative vs MIN HC, his kryptonite, did us in...
That plus SP's bad knowledge of the rule book, unlike BB.

ChrisXVI 07-16-2021 08:58 AM
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Well we’re currently about $27 million over the 2022 salary cap ceiling of $208 million with only 40 players under contract. Yes we’ve seen the gymnastics Loomis and Harley can do to get under the cap this offseason, but next year may be even more daunting because we don’t even have a QB under contract. I think Marcus Williams is as good as gone.

SmashMouth 07-16-2021 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 923201)
Well we’re currently about $27 million over the 2022 salary cap ceiling of $208 million with only 40 players under contract. Yes we’ve seen the gymnastics Loomis and Harley can do to get under the cap this offseason, but next year may be even more daunting because we don’t even have a QB under contract. I think Marcus Williams is as good as gone.
Thought we were ever so slightly under the cap... nonetheless, methinks you’re probably right as far as retaining Williams’ services, other than re-tagging him.

AsylumGuido 07-16-2021 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 923201)
Well we’re currently about $27 million over the 2022 salary cap ceiling of $208 million with only 40 players under contract. Yes we’ve seen the gymnastics Loomis and Harley can do to get under the cap this offseason, but next year may be even more daunting because we don’t even have a QB under contract. I think Marcus Williams is as good as gone.
Projected salary cap ceiling. Other than last year the final cap number, due in February, has almost always come out a tad higher than the projection from over a half year prior. Hopefully this proves true again.

ChrisXVI 07-16-2021 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923208)
Projected salary cap ceiling. Other than last year the final cap number, due in February, has almost always come out a tad higher than the projection from over a half year prior. Hopefully this proves true again.
The NFL and NFLPA agreed to set the ceiling at $208.2 million. I’m pretty sure that’s it.

halloween 65 07-16-2021 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923164)
He only whiffed because he was told not to create a foul. That's not on him.
He may or may not have been told not to create a foul but look at his timing on that play ,it stunk. That was on him.

ChrisXVI 07-16-2021 01:10 PM
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Honestly, should Marcus Williams even want to sign long-term with the Saints? Now that Brees is gone and our roster’s being squeezed by salary cap restraints this year and next are we really even contenders?

AsylumGuido 07-16-2021 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 923212)
He may or may not have been told not to create a foul but look at his timing on that play ,it stunk. That was on him.
Who cares? It was one play. Why dwell on it? What good does that do? What is past is past.

AsylumGuido 07-16-2021 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 923217)
Honestly, should Marcus Williams even want to sign long-term with the Saints? Now that Brees is gone and our roster’s being squeezed by salary cap restraints this year and next are we really even contenders?
We are about to see, aren't we? I expect we will be contenders.

lee909 07-16-2021 05:51 PM
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If no deal is agreed in principle and the season isn't going well and looking at the interior line for 6 games it won't be, I'd trade him at the deadline for a pick next year. No point in waiting two years for a 3rd round at best if any pick.

halloween 65 07-16-2021 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923222)
Who cares? It was one play. Why dwell on it? What good does that do? What is past is past.
I would imagine a whole lot of people cared at the time and some still do, especially when they watched it go for a game winning TD and cost a possible SB. The Minni miricle it's called. And contrary to whatever you believe, IT WAS HIS FAULT.

AsylumGuido 07-16-2021 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 923231)
I would imagine a whole lot of people cared at the time and some still do, especially when they watched it go for a game winning TD and cost a possible SB. The Minni miricle it's called. And contrary to whatever you believe, IT WAS HIS FAULT.
Once again, who cares? Move on. I don't get the whole holding something against an individual forever. What does that gain you? What is the point?

halloween 65 07-17-2021 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923233)
Once again, who cares? Move on. I don't get the whole holding something against an individual forever. What does that gain you? What is the point?
Then you shouldn't defend him with your "Wasn't his fault" bull, when it was his fault. See ,you like to DRIVE your point across to others but really don't like the blowback when your not right, kind of like rinse then repeat so to speak. It's like talking to a vendictive child who thinks their right all the time, I do get a kick out of the way you think, it's funny.

Rugby Saint II 07-18-2021 11:23 AM
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If he balls out this year we're going to have a tough time re-signing him.

AsylumGuido 07-18-2021 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 923318)
If he balls out this year we're going to have a tough time re-signing him.
We can sign anyone we want. Simply back load a contract with plenty of guarantees. The first year could be minimal against the cap and Loomis commonly uses roster bonuses in subsequent years. The cap is going to continue to explode over the next several years.

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 10:09 AM
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jeanpierre 07-22-2021 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 923178)
Shared YouTube Video

Re-watched this video Smash shared and am still baffled how Mike Triplett has a job (maybe his Dad's connection, NFL nepotism)...

ProBowls should never be used as a measuring stick for quality of play; Case in point is Ramczyk...

Ramczyk was named All-Pro after a season where he shutdown at least six (6) HOF players, at least ten (10) DEs, from a sack...

Matt asked the right question, this is likely a case of Marcus and agent waiting till next season when the cap should increase dramatically, giving them more leverage...


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