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SmashMouth 04-18-2021 11:52 AM

PFF Latest Mock Draft - Three Rounds
 
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Pick 28: CB Asante Samuel, Jr. Florida State

The Saints will be ecstatic if Samuel Jr. falls to them at Pick 28. He fits what they want to do schematically with their cornerbacks. He can read the game at a high level and jump routes but also has the requisite man coverage skills in a predominantly single-high league. He played mostly outside in 2020 but saw 267 snaps inside the two years prior, so there’s some versatility to his game.

Samuel is not the quickest or faster player, and that’s probably why you can find him available late in the first round, but his brain might be the quickest of the whole group. He loves to bait quarterbacks into throwing on him before breaking up the pass. He forced 22 incompletions over the past two seasons, the second-most in the ACC among cornerbacks.

PFF lead draft analyst Mike Renner ranked him as the fifth-best cornerback in the class, saying, “He undoubtedly got his instincts from his old man as well, as he produced three picks and five pass breakups in eight games this season. What he didn’t get was the elder’s tackling aversion — the Florida State prospect will come up and lay a lick if asked to.”

Pick 60: CB Ifeatu Melifonwu, Syracuse

The Saints double-dip with another cornerback here. Melifonwu is huge at 6-foot-3 and 213 pounds and would provide New Orleans a very different type of cornerback than it's used to. Unfortunately for Melifonwu, his size and athleticism haven’t translated into much production for the Syracuse product.

PFF's Ben Linsey believes he could be one of those reaches all the way into the first round because even with the lack of production, teams are going to love his build.

“Melifonwu doesn’t play with the physicality his size would suggest and allowed a career-worst 66.0% completion rate and 94.9 passer rating on throws into his coverage in 2020. Those aren’t the same kind of lockdown coverage numbers that several other cornerbacks in this class boast.

His combination of size and movement skills is rare, though. NFL teams don’t often reach for below-average athletes. They reach for the physical outliers who have high ceilings if they develop properly. Melifonwu fits that bill.”

Pick 98: LB Jamin Davis, Kentucky

After failing to find the right player to position next to Demario Davis at linebacker, the Saints try to locate one in the draft, doing so with Jamin Davis falling to them at Pick 98 here. The former Kentucky Wildcat is what teams want their linebackers to look like, and with a lack of defensive snaps on his resume, he is certain to go in the top three rounds of the draft.

Davis' issue, as PFF's Anthony Treash notes, is inexperience in coverage.

“His role in the Wildcats' defense wasn’t nearly as difficult as some of the other top linebackers in this class, as he played a lot of spot-drop zone and virtually no man coverage. Davis did make a few plays on the ball, but that’s not fully indicative of the hill he has to climb to become a reliable player in coverage at the NFL level.”

If the Saints pick him, they can play Demario Davis at Will and insulate Jamin Davis at Mike until they feel comfortable with the latter covering running backs and tight ends in man coverage.

Pick 105: WR Amari Rodgers, Clemson

The Saints are always looking for extra offensive weapons, and they get one in Amari Rodgers, who comps best to current Saint Ty Montgomery, according to PFF's Kevin Cole:

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ChrisXVI 04-18-2021 11:58 AM

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Asante Samuel Jr doesn’t fit the prototype we like at CB and he isn’t good enough to ignore that fact. Jamin Davis will be a fringe first round pick.

SmashMouth 04-18-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918455)
Asante Samuel Jr doesn’t fit the prototype we like at CB and he isn’t good enough to ignore that fact. Jamin Davis will be a fringe first round pick.

#28 is proving to be a difficult spot to draft from. We'll just have to see who drops to us.

ChrisXVI 04-18-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918458)
#28 is proving to be a difficult spot to draft from. We'll just have to see who drops to us.

It really is a terrible spot to be in. I have no idea what we’re going to do. This is the most fascinating draft for us in quite a while.

ChrisXVI 04-18-2021 12:46 PM

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I’m going to give it shot too- three rounds as well. Hold on.

lee909 04-18-2021 04:36 PM

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Think that's a poor draft from them to be honest. CGJ is already in the position that you'd want Samuel to play. He doesn't seem big enough to play outside.

ChrisXVI 04-18-2021 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918464)
I’m going to give it shot too- three rounds as well. Hold on.

That crap is terrible. I tried multiple times and got laughable results every time. Draft simulators are garbage.

AsylumGuido 04-18-2021 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918477)
That crap is terrible. I tried multiple times and got laughable results every time. Draft simulators are garbage.

It's because it is driven by picks from other using their franchises. They may be taking everything you want, or are you just going with the default selections?

ChrisXVI 04-18-2021 08:05 PM

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It's because it is driven by picks from other using their franchises. They may be taking everything you want, or are you just going with the default selections?

Well... in all honesty, complaining about a draft simulator is a little absurd in the first place because I’m complaining about my perception of how it should unfold which is never how it actually does.

SmashMouth 04-18-2021 09:28 PM

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This is their draft, btw, to be clear. Did they use their own simulator ?

rezburna 04-19-2021 07:39 AM

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I like Samuel. Not in the 1st, but I like him.

jeanpierre 04-19-2021 08:56 AM

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I like Samuel. Not in the 1st, but I like him.

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jeanpierre 04-19-2021 01:20 PM

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What would've made this my ideal draft, another target, Northern Iowa OT Spencer Brown, went one pick (Ravens) before my 2nd pick in the 3rd Rd...

I'd still taken OT Tommy Doyle later as a LG candidate...

Also I'd traded back into the fourth round with a 2022 3rd Rd pick and taken Brown, so I took him as a great consolation...

Farley and Cox falling would be a coup de grâce, the rest would be lagniappe...



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K Major 04-19-2021 01:48 PM

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^^ Real world, I wouldn't touch Caleb @ 28.

SmashMouth 04-19-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918512)
What would've made this my ideal draft, another target, Northern Iowa OT Spencer Brown, went one pick (Ravens) before my 2nd pick in the 3rd Rd...

I'd still taken OT Tommy Doyle later as a LG candidate...

Also I'd traded back into the fourth round with a 2022 3rd Rd pick and taken Brown, so I took him as a great consolation...

Farley and Cox falling would be a coup de grâce, the rest would be lagniappe...



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You homer you.... Can't believe you drafted an LSU player. SP would disown you and ban you from the Saints facility. You sure there weren't any Ohio St players available ?

:bng:

jeanpierre 04-20-2021 02:07 AM

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You homer you.... Can't believe you drafted an LSU player. SP would disown you and ban you from the Saints facility. You sure there weren't any Ohio St players available ?

:bng:

LOL, Sean did that a couple of years ago...

First Rule of Greg Bensel Public Relations:

No one questions, criticizes Sean. No one.

Some make criticism personal, I laugh at their insecurity...

Just stating the obvious, pay attention to history, facts, and remind folks from whence we came and if we're in a loop or progressing...

jeanpierre 04-20-2021 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918513)
^^ Real world, I wouldn't touch Caleb @ 28.

Making the assumption his medicals check out. Two scouting services I respect seem to think the only criticism was how long Caleb's Camp waited to have the surgery...

SmashMouth 04-20-2021 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918513)
^^ Real world, I wouldn't touch Caleb @ 28.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918529)
Making the assumption his medicals check out. Two scouting services I respect seem to think the only criticism was how long Caleb's Camp waited to have the surgery...

How often does it actually work out to draft players with a history of injuries? Bill Walsh seemed to be successful with that, we think. What's SP's winning percentage with those types here? 50/50? Brees is the ultimate in terms of working out. But we didn't draft him.

K Major 04-20-2021 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918534)
How often does it actually work out to draft players with a history of injuries? Bill Walsh seemed to be successful with that, we think. What's SP's winning percentage with those types here? 50/50? Brees is the ultimate in terms of working out. But we didn't draft him.

Facts.

At #28, my realistic expectation for a 1st rounder is to draft a quality/long term starter (see Cam Jordan/Ramz). If we are looking at talented guys who fall to Day 2 or 3 due to medicals… different story.

Bill Walsh, Drew Brees of the world are rare breeds. They don't come along often.

Rugby Saint II 04-21-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918534)
How often does it actually work out to draft players with a history of injuries? Bill Walsh seemed to be successful with that, we think. What's SP's winning percentage with those types here? 50/50? Brees is the ultimate in terms of working out. But we didn't draft him.

Do you think Ochsner might be culpable? I do. At the very least I question their qualifications. I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner and that is a filthy hospital! The only one that was worse than them was the VA, which was filthy and dark and they were the bottom of the barrel when I was still in sales.

jeanpierre 04-23-2021 09:13 PM

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Could be real happy with this haul...

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Rugby Saint II 04-24-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918458)
#28 is proving to be a difficult spot to draft from. We'll just have to see who drops to us.

Don't we usually pick late in the round because of our record? The Saints have a formula in place for drafting in this range. Depending on who is available at a position of need we will either move up for falling players or stay pat and go BPA at a position of need. We have eight picks and several large holes to fill along with 30 or so more new spots to fill out the roster.

We could trade back and get more picks like when Sean was stabilizing the foundation in '06 as a rookie head coach or we could use those late picks to package in a deal to move up for one of the players that drop close to us. I predict two to three trades up in the first three or four rounds for that player. We have been highly efficient picking there and have produced good to great players.

turbo_dog 04-26-2021 04:52 PM

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I'm not mad at this. Don't forget Sean Payton is still the coach. WR for our first.

turbo_dog 04-26-2021 04:53 PM

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Ok I guess I don't know how to attach the image.

K Major 04-26-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918775)
Could be real happy with this haul...

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Yes please.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2021 05:57 PM

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I'm not mad at this. Don't forget Sean Payton is still the coach. WR for our first.

Here you go, Turbo.

turbo_dog 04-26-2021 06:58 PM

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Thanks, AG! I did an attachment because when I click on the insert image, it asks for a URL. I'm a software engineer for a silicon valley company and still couldn't get it right. :banana::beer:

AsylumGuido 04-26-2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 918904)
Thanks, AG! I did an attachment because when I click on the insert image, it asks for a URL. I'm a software engineer for a silicon valley company and still couldn't get it right. :banana::beer:

Been there. I started out with BASIC and COBAL almost fifty years ago. Went through generations over the years, but still struggle figuring out how to print from my phone on my home network. Yes, that was the dilemma today.

:p

lee909 04-26-2021 08:20 PM

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Just some fun.
Gave up next years first.

Not gonna happen but would be fun


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