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Rugby Saint II 05-29-2021 02:30 PM

X,Y, & Z Receivers
 
While it's slow let's discuss the X, Y, & Z position and who we have on the roster with the skill set to play each position and why. Also, I'm a little fuzzy about what each receiver position is expected to do and where they line up. I'm a rugby player who never played football but I've learned a lot of the X's and O's of football here on the BNG!

It's time for a refresher. Please chime in with your thoughts about each position and the player who can best fill that spot and why. Not everyone is an expert but we have some knowledgeable posters. Then everyone would have a better idea how the depth chart shakes out and why before the season starts. Thanks. Go Saints!

SmashMouth 05-29-2021 02:43 PM

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The Dude 05-29-2021 03:12 PM

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Y’all should do a thread a week breaking down the different position groups and their individual responsibilities. Would be great for the few on the board who want a better understanding for the game. Great thread topic Rug.

Boston Saint 05-29-2021 03:25 PM

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It’s X,Y, and Z if you have an X-box. It’s Triangle, Square, and Circle if you ave a Playstation ! 🤪

SmashMouth 05-29-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 921321)
Y’all should do a thread a week breaking down the different position groups and their individual responsibilities. Would be great for the few on the board who want a better understanding for the game. Great thread topic Rug.

I nominate Rez and JP !

:bng:

rezburna 05-29-2021 08:12 PM

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The X is usually your main guy.

The Y is your slot guy or your TE.

The Z stretches the field.

The roles aren’t necessarily written in stone, but that’s how it goes in theory.

The best example was our Super Bowl team.

Colston was our X receiver back in the day. He was big, and the X lines up on the ball so he has to be able to beat the press. That’s why they like big, strong receivers to play the X.

Devery Henderson was our Z. He was fast. He could stretch the defense and open things up underneath.

Then you had Lance Moore. He was more of a Y, but he could play some Z too. We saw that a lot. Colston at the X, Moore at the Y. More definitely wasn’t an X though.

Robert Meachem was a Z that was built like a X and probably had the potential to be one. It just never happened. I thought he would be a superstar, but I digress.

We took Dante Stallworth in the first round but everything about his skill set screamed Z. WR2. Same for Brandin Cooks...Cooks really screamed slot guy, but Z works since he’s off the line and it isn’t as easy to press.

What’s special about people like a Julio Jones is...he can do all of those roles.

jeanpierre 05-29-2021 09:58 PM

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What's so very different about the Saints is that we move our WRx into the slot to gain a match-up advantage particularly in red zone and 3rd down...

Now that the league has moved toward this WestCoast pass-happy league with nearly 3WR sets on most downs now, there's now a 4th receiver (WRslot)...

If the CB1 moves with our WRx (i.e. Colston, Thomas), then Sean is also able to take our WRx2, isolate on a SS or NB for a mismatch out on the perimeter...

If the CB1 stays zone, then you've got the elite-strength WRx Thomas on the inside slant out of the slot, usually getting some YAC to move the chains...

Last couple of years Brees typically never went through his X-Y-Z progression and just went with the short AirYards attempt to Thomas out of the slot...

When he had Lance Moore and Willie Snead the IV, he'd go pre-snap read/quick-release to opposite slot WR (opposite Colston who'd move to slot on 3rd)...

Colston and Thomas are the best WRx we've had as a franchise; Jimmy G and Hoby Brenner our best TEy; Brandon Cooks our best WRz along with Wes Chandler...

Eric Martin and Danny Abramowicz while playing the WRx, with elite hands, really were slot WRs; despite suspect routes/hands, Devery was our best value$ WRz...

rezburna 05-30-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921327)
What's so very different about the Saints is that we move our WRx into the slot to gain a match-up advantage particularly in red zone and 3rd down...

Now that the league has moved toward this WestCoast pass-happy league with nearly 3WR sets on most downs now, there's now a 4th receiver (WRslot)...

If the CB1 moves with our WRx (i.e. Colston, Thomas), then Sean is also able to take our WRx2, isolate on a SS or NB for a mismatch out on the perimeter...

If the CB1 stays zone, then you've got the elite-strength WRx Thomas on the inside slant out of the slot, usually getting some YAC to move the chains...

Last couple of years Brees typically never went through his X-Y-Z progression and just went with the short AirYards attempt to Thomas out of the slot...

When he had Lance Moore and Willie Snead the IV, he'd go pre-snap read/quick-release to opposite slot WR (opposite Colston who'd move to slot on 3rd)...

Colston and Thomas are the best WRx we've had as a franchise; Jimmy G and Hoby Brenner our best TEy; Brandon Cooks our best WRz along with Wes Chandler...

Eric Martin and Danny Abramowicz while playing the WRx, with elite hands, really were slot WRs; despite suspect routes/hands, Devery was our best value$ WRz...

Devery was such a good pick up at the Z. He was never too expensive and he played his role perfectly. I thought Tre’Quan Smith would be the modern day version. One more year to see if he finally shows up.

dizzle88 05-30-2021 07:59 AM

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Devery was such a good pick up at the Z. He was never too expensive and he played his role perfectly. I thought Tre’Quan Smith would be the modern day version. One more year to see if he finally shows up.

Devery was so underrated it wasn't even funny.

Guy had lightning speed and he went from leading the league in drops, to being one of the most sure handed receivers we had from 08 onwards.

I think my favourite Devery play was the 78 yard TD vs Bears in 2011, he just flew past the LB and split the safeties too.

Trequan is the spitting image of one of my work colleagues, nice guy but has a look about him that says he doesn't know what to do half the time.

SmashMouth 05-30-2021 09:54 AM

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What is Kamara's best role as a WR?

jeanpierre 05-30-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 921341)
What is Kamara's best role as a WR?

Is his best role as a receiver? Or where does he line up best as a receiver?

SmashMouth 05-30-2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921343)
Is his best role as a receiver? Or where does he line up best as a receiver?

Both? :bng:

rezburna 05-30-2021 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 921352)
Both? :bng:

I’d say his best role as a receiver is in the slot. You want him to match up with a LB or safety because his route running isn’t as crisp as a receivers would be, his hands aren’t as sure, and he’s honestly not blazing fast. He’s not threat with a cornerback on him.

That’s one thing I loved about Reggie Bush. He was a mismatch no matter where you lined him up at because he was faster than most cornerbacks. Teams always had to keep an eye on him because he was a big play waiting to happen. The best decoy we’ve ever had. He was ahead of his time.

Also, I don’t always like the routes Payton calls for Kamara out of the backfield. He’s used a check down to often. Send him on the Texas route. Send him on a a streak from back there. Get more creative. But nah...Kamara definitely isn’t a WR.

jeanpierre 05-30-2021 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921343)
Is his best role as a receiver? Or where does he line up best as a receiver?

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 921352)
Both? :bng:

Best mismatch he gets is when he runs wheel routes and delay releases out of the backfield because he draws LBers more on those routes than any other...

SmashMouth 05-31-2021 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 921356)
I’d say his best role as a receiver is in the slot. You want him to match up with a LB or safety because his route running isn’t as crisp as a receivers would be, his hands aren’t as sure, and he’s honestly not blazing fast. He’s not threat with a cornerback on him.

That’s one thing I loved about Reggie Bush. He was a mismatch no matter where you lined him up at because he was faster than most cornerbacks. Teams always had to keep an eye on him because he was a big play waiting to happen. The best decoy we’ve ever had. He was ahead of his time.

Also, I don’t always like the routes Payton calls for Kamara out of the backfield. He’s used a check down to often. Send him on the Texas route. Send him on a a streak from back there. Get more creative. But nah...Kamara definitely isn’t a WR.

Fair point... SP doesn't run him downhill for a pass like he did RB. While he's not a WR, SP interchanges his RB with WR in terms of lining them up, and sometimes running routes.

Rugby Saint II 06-05-2021 01:56 PM

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The light just clicked on after going through the videos and ya'lls thoughtful input and I've got the concept now. Thanks ya'll. I really like the idea of a position group breakdown each week until TC gets going while we're all bored. Who Dat! :bng:


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