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iceshack149 06-06-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921604)
I lay that squarely on DA's shoulders.

I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

Rugby Saint II 06-06-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921607)
I've never been a fan of his scheme.

Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of. Remember all those lousy defenses Drew gave a Herculean effort to win and we kept missing out on the Lombardi? That still upsets me for Drew because I'm sure he doesn't fret over it as much as I do.

Rugby Saint II 06-06-2021 12:18 PM

Re: It’s unfortunate and sad...
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 921615)
I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

When Sean took his thumb print off the defenses we played better. I guess that he thought if he could beat a great defense then he could build one and that cost us dearly. It was great that Ireland seemed to get control of that situation and give the DC what they needed not what Sean wanted.

I love him but he needs to stay out of the defensive meetings and let the scouts and Ireland do the drafting. It's worked pretty well lately for both sides of the ball.

jeanpierre 06-06-2021 01:39 PM

Re: It’s unfortunate and sad...
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 921615)
I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

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K Major 06-06-2021 03:53 PM

Re: It’s unfortunate and sad...
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921616)
Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of.

No chit.

Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling.

I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921633)
No chit.

Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling.

I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end.

The past is the past. Time to look forward. A hard concept for some. :D


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