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lee909 07-16-2021 05:48 PM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Hopefully they'll find something in the supplement. Its been found plenty if times before that these can be tainted while supposedly fine for athlete. If he can prove that then theres a good chance of no suspension.

K Major 07-17-2021 07:55 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 923226)
I like Tuttle but it ends there.

Yep & me too but Ninja Tuttle is a 3 tech that can play NT but not for 4 quarters (see Eagles game). The good thing is that the Saints front office brass/coaching staff have sufficient time to adjust & make necessary moves (signing another vet) if we need to. Just another challenge we'll have to overcome.

Even with losing David for a bunch of games, not having adequate corners (PRob/Crawley/PJ) on those boundaries is even scarier.

Big holes to fill but good organizations find a way.

jeanpierre 07-17-2021 09:31 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

Rugby Saint II 07-17-2021 09:58 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Roger Gohell hates the Saints and I'll be surprised if it gets reduced.

ChrisXVI 07-17-2021 10:41 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
The Saints loved DT Da’shawn Hand in the 2018 draft. He’s become a bit of a forgotten man in Detroit with the drafting of Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill to go with Michael Brockers. Might be an option to trade a late round pick for Hand.

jnormand 07-17-2021 10:49 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 923246)
The Saints loved DT Da’shawn Hand in the 2018 draft. He’s become a bit of a forgotten man in Detroit with the drafting of Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill to go with Michael Brockers. Might be an option to trade a late round pick for Hand.

Any relation to Norman?

Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

iceshack149 07-17-2021 11:12 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 923248)
Any relation to Norman?

Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

I was curious as well...

Da'Shawn Hand


Hand was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, fathered by Sharif Hand, who was a junior in high school when Da'Shawn was born.[2] Hand's uncle, Damone Boone, was a Parade All-American running back at West Springfield in Virginia in the mid-1990s.[3][4]
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8mskKpw_VnIsI2

AsylumGuido 07-17-2021 11:15 AM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923241)
If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients.

This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page:

"The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance."

These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen.

jeanpierre 07-17-2021 12:51 PM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923250)
Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients.

This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page:

"The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance."

These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen.

So you know Onyemata took something tainted from the third-party approved list?

saintsfan1976 07-17-2021 01:19 PM

Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
 
Substance abuse suspensions since 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League

'10 - 20
'11 - 21
'12 - 40
'13 - 37
'14 - 41
'15 - 54
'16 - 55
'17 - 37
'18 - 31
'19 - 5
'20 - 2

I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions.


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