USA Today/SaintsWire | Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal

jnormand · 08-18-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...32282903830531

He wanted MORE than 4 years and 70 million?

Sorry but if Williams wants anything close to this deal, I'd say "bye Felicia."

That's ridiculous money for a safety. Darren Sharper was a game changer and a ball hawk and I still don't know if he would be worth that. (Apparently he was also a rapist and drug enthusiast too.) Just saying.

jeanpierre · 08-18-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

He wanted MORE than 4 years and 70 million?

Sorry but if Williams wants anything close to this deal, I'd say "bye Felicia."

That's ridiculous money for a safety. Darren Sharper was a game changer and a ball hawk and I still don't know if he would be worth that. (Apparently he was also a rapist and drug enthusiast too.) Just saying.

Don't know, Norm. Good single-high safeties aren't just laying around; we drafted him, developed him, and I'd hate to non resign him...

Or worse - sign another Jairus Byrd...

I'd say after your CB1, your FS should command your No. 2 salary slot for the DBs...

SmashMouth · 08-18-2021, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't know, Norm. Good single-high safeties aren't just laying around; we drafted him, developed him, and I'd hate to non resign him...

Or worse - sign another Jairus Byrd...

I'd say after your CB1, your FS should command your No. 2 salary slot for the DBs...

How much of a whiff-on-a-SB-ticket-punching-play discount do we get?

The Dude · 08-18-2021, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How much of a whiff-on-a-SB-ticket-punching-play discount do we get?

Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody.
I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either.

SmashMouth · 08-18-2021, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody.
I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either.

We'll never know, will we?

Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap.

AsylumGuido · 08-18-2021, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We'll never know, will we?

Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap.

Without Coach SP we wouldn't have been in the position to begin with.

Right?

Rell&Gold · 08-20-2021, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We'll never know, will we?

Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap.

Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

SmashMouth · 08-20-2021, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

We were trying to run out the clock. A coach can tell his team to commit a certain penalty to trigger the clock to run down. If SP knew the rulebook like BB, we win both games, Minihaha miracle AND the PI no call Lambs game. Those plays then never would have made history since they wouldn't have existed. BB used that in a game and won a game for NE, even though they were ahead by a lot.

Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock

Comments in the article are priceless.

In both those games, we were merely trying to run off less than 30 seconds which we could have easily done a little earlier when we had to punt.

Now as far as the Whiners' game, that's just plain stupidity in not covering Vernon Davis better. So that's THREE games that should have earned us SB berths. How many of those would we have won? We've been speculating since. Most argue that we were the juggernaut in those three years. So who knows. But I reckon the Saints would have won at least one more Tiffany.

Now the year SP was suspended, that was plain wrong of Herr Kommissar Goodell. It's well documented every team did, and many continue to do, the very same incentivisations to win games. Now that we have gambling allowed, we'll see unfold in all likelihood many permutations of this throughout the league. Those that think games are fixed will have plenty more fodder with which to banter this subject.

jeanpierre · 08-18-2021, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody.
I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either.

Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed...

Rell&Gold · 08-20-2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed...

We def would have beat the Eagles don't believe the hype. And 2011 don't get me started that SB would have been better than 2009 after that Safnran game. Marcus Williams is a Blue Chip player and their aren't replacements just walking around that can do what he does. Someone made of joke of this missed tackles what have you don for me lately and he didn't miss many last year. His style of play is way more valuable than Adam's we had Roman Harper laying his role NEITHER can cover. I rather go with the cover safety than the limited Blitzer if you ask me Adam's got overpaid

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,788	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...32282903830531 He wanted MORE than 4 years and 70 million? Sorry but if Williams wants anything close to this deal, I'd say "bye Felicia." That's ridiculous money for a safety. Darren Sharper was a game changer and a ball hawk and I still don't know if he would be worth that. (Apparently he was also a rapist and drug enthusiast too.) Just saying.

08-18-2021, 07:26 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jnormand He wanted MORE than 4 years and 70 million? Sorry but if Williams wants anything close to this deal, I'd say "bye Felicia." That's ridiculous money for a safety. Darren Sharper was a game changer and a ball hawk and I still don't know if he would be worth that. (Apparently he was also a rapist and drug enthusiast too.) Just saying. Don't know, Norm. Good single-high safeties aren't just laying around; we drafted him, developed him, and I'd hate to non resign him... Or worse - sign another Jairus Byrd... I'd say after your CB1, your FS should command your No. 2 salary slot for the DBs... jnormand, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,131 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't know, Norm. Good single-high safeties aren't just laying around; we drafted him, developed him, and I'd hate to non resign him... Or worse - sign another Jairus Byrd... I'd say after your CB1, your FS should command your No. 2 salary slot for the DBs... How much of a whiff-on-a-SB-ticket-punching-play discount do we get? iceshack149 and jeanpierre like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,131 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by The Dude Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody. I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either. We'll never know, will we? Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap. jeanpierre likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by SmashMouth We'll never know, will we? Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap. Without Coach SP we wouldn't have been in the position to begin with. Right?

08-20-2021, 07:38 AM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by SmashMouth We'll never know, will we? Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap. Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,131 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches We were trying to run out the clock. A coach can tell his team to commit a certain penalty to trigger the clock to run down. If SP knew the rulebook like BB, we win both games, Minihaha miracle AND the PI no call Lambs game. Those plays then never would have made history since they wouldn't have existed. BB used that in a game and won a game for NE, even though they were ahead by a lot. Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock Comments in the article are priceless. In both those games, we were merely trying to run off less than 30 seconds which we could have easily done a little earlier when we had to punt. Now as far as the Whiners' game, that's just plain stupidity in not covering Vernon Davis better. So that's THREE games that should have earned us SB berths. How many of those would we have won? We've been speculating since. Most argue that we were the juggernaut in those three years. So who knows. But I reckon the Saints would have won at least one more Tiffany. Now the year SP was suspended, that was plain wrong of Herr Kommissar Goodell. It's well documented every team did, and many continue to do, the very same incentivisations to win games. Now that we have gambling allowed, we'll see unfold in all likelihood many permutations of this throughout the league. Those that think games are fixed will have plenty more fodder with which to banter this subject. jeanpierre and Rell&Gold like this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by The Dude Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody. I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either. Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed... jnormand, SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.

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Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jeanpierre Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed... We def would have beat the Eagles don't believe the hype. And 2011 don't get me started that SB would have been better than 2009 after that Safnran game. Marcus Williams is a Blue Chip player and their aren't replacements just walking around that can do what he does. Someone made of joke of this missed tackles what have you don for me lately and he didn't miss many last year. His style of play is way more valuable than Adam's we had Roman Harper laying his role NEITHER can cover. I rather go with the cover safety than the limited Blitzer if you ask me Adam's got overpaid SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.