How is Philip Rivers Done?
 

I see a narrative on another forum that Philip Rivers is not worth a look and gives us nothing over Hill, Semien, Book, Savage, or Weurffel.

Then I see statistics: Philip Rivers 2020 Colts: 4169 yards passing, 24 TDs, 11 interceptions, 2 fumbles, 68% completion percentage. These seem like decent stats, not elite franchise QB stats, but still like B grade decent game manager who can win with an elite defense. I don't think he racked them up with any world beater receivers either, though basically any receiving squad is better than what we have now without Thomas.

I also hear that Rivers could barely get himself on the field. Then I see he started all 16 games last year, and in fact started 16 games every year for 15 straight years. So limp as he might, he seems very durable.

I see that in 4 QB starts last year, Taysom Hill passed for 834 yards, 4 TDs, and 2 INTs which for a full season projects to 3,736 yards, 16 TDs, and 8 INTs which is a little less but close. The problem I see is that in those 4 games Hill rushed for 4 TDs but fumbled 6 times, so overall Hill accounted for 8 TDs and 8 turnovers in 4 games, a 1:1 ratio of scoring to turnovers. And Hill is coming off a concussion. And Hill is useful as a target on the offense if he is not a QB.

I don't know if we can afford Rivers. I don't know if he can pick up our offense fast enough. But his 2020 stats seem to indicate he is a good B grade starting QB, on a similar stage in his career to a Matt Ryan for example. I think there is a reasonable argument that he is better than Trevor Semiens resume beyond half of one game, that he was a bit better in 2020 than Taysom Hill, and that Hill is more valuable as a gadget player. I think Rivers is good enough to win a championship with an elite defense if that elite defense performs in the playoffs, he is better than Dilfer and comparable to a late career Eli Manning, probably better than Peyton Manning's final season of being benched for Osweiler. I don't know that we can say that Hill or Semien are better than those guys.

For reference, Cam Newton threw for 2,657 yards last year, while Drew Brees threw for just under 3,000 yards the past two seasons, and we have to go back to 2017 for Brees to top Rivers 2020 yardage of 4,169 yards. Yes, Rivers never won a ring. But did Brees win a ring on the Chargers? Are the Chargers winning a ring now with a new great QB? Did any of their coaches win rings elsewhere. Rivers could gut out one more solid season and give us a chance if our defense peaks at the right time.

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Philip Rivers says he’ll listen if Saints want to call

Former Chargers and Colts quarterback Philip Rivers retired after the end of the 2020 season and took over as a high school football coach in his native Alabama this fall, but told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times that he would listen if the Saints gave him a call. Rivers said he has not heard anything from the team at this point.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-want-to-call/

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You are making a lot of sense and I agree with a lot of your points. The big downside is this - even if we assume Rivers gives a bit better chance than Hill/Siemian/Book - he probably walks goes back into retirement to be with his family and coach his kid after his short-lived run with us, win or lose. Do you want to lose that time developing one or a mix of the other 3 guys, who could help us long-term (especially Book)?

And this leads into the upside about Book no one has been talking about. If he is the real deal - not necessarily Montana/Brady/Brees level, but at least a winner that fits our system - and we find our QB of the long-term future, we have a huge leg up on our competition because we have a franchise QB with youth/contract advantage. Hill and Siemian are a bit older (especially Hill), even if they surprise us, wouldn't potentially be viable for as long. That has to be factored in at least a little, especially for Loomis.

They didn't think Book would start at Notre Dame but once he got a chance he was a mainstay. None of this Spencer Rattler flash-in-the-pan stuff. I would argue the Brian Kelly is one of the top 5 coaches in the college game and did a great job getting Book ready.

Not saying it's for sure the right call or it would/should happen, but Book should be on our minds a little bit more.

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Phillip Rivers like to throw them picks, but he know the game.

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I'm just wondering what happens if Taysom gets injured again, he runs like a freight train but he is susceptible to hard knocks.
That leaves Siemian and Book, kinda limited depth I'm thinking.

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Ian Book did break all of Joe Montana's records at ND. He might be good enough.

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I think it might be good if Rivers is one and done. I dont think Semian can be developed into a long term solution. I question Hills ability as a QB and durability, plus he is valuable as a TE gadget player. As to Book, a rookie 4th rounder, even if he is the long term solution, that does not mean he would benefit by being thrown into the fire as a rookie with no receivers. Book might learn something studying under Rivers. We dont sabotage Books development by not starting him as a rookie under high pressure.

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Well it's up to the almighty Offense Guru now, he saw potential in Jameis and that was starting to work out.
Strangely enough when the word came that the Saints signed Jameis it was like news from Fungo Land.
But time goes by like it always does and I was totally on board with #2 behind center.
When Jameis got injured going out on the cart I was totally devastated. When they say Not For Long they aren't kidding.

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Rivers gives the team a legit shot at a championship with the defense in place. His arm isn't close to as good as it was but he is accurate and can do what Brees did the past few years and probably a bit more. Not like Hill or Siemian have a great arm or close to the accuracy he has.

Honestly not sure what anyone sees in Book as a long term option. Doesn't have a big arm, you don't want a 6'1 QB trying to tough out runs to win games like he could in college.

Strange position to be in now.
If the team can't win regularly without Winston winning games costs you better picks especially in R2, but who wants to lose. And 60ml over the estimated cap next year, Hill,Winston,Armstead and M Williams hitting FA. Plenty of big calls to make on Michael Thomas, Cam etc next year so why not bring Rivers in for a possible last run before they need to make changes

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I’m wondering if finances would even allow Rivers to be brought in. I’ve heard there isn’t much spare cap room left for the Saints. Under a million I heard from one source.

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So Tyler Palko might have been good enough to be another Dan Marino.

Palko ended his college career tied for SECOND IN SCHOOL HISTORY with Alex Van Pelt in career touchdown passes (66) and was second in Pitt history in career passing yardage, trailing Dan Marino by 254 yards.

Palko's NFL career stats: 8 games 4 starts 2 TD 7 INT 60.7 Career Passer Rating.

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I have always been very high on Rivers. He could have gone to any handful of organizations and gotten a ring but unfortunately wound up with the Chargers. There was a reason Eli refused to go. I think he just got tired of losing and am willing to bet he would have another couple years in Payton’s offense. Good mentor for Book or any other young guy.
Learning the offense would be the main problem and with our record I think Payton will roll with what we have until it’s obvious it’s not working. And stop going to that other forum.
90% of those posters are glorified cheerleaders who don’t know squat about football.

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Joe Montana isn't even in the top ten in Notre Dame career, season, or single game records for touchdowns or yardage. Even after Ian Book, Brady Quinn still holds basically every passing record.

Joe Montana's Notre Dame Stats

Just pointing this out. ;)

Montana had 4121 yards passing in his ND career. Quinn almost had that much in one season (3919) and had 11,762 yards in his career.

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Different era... different type of football. Still, there is a reason SP spent a draft pick on the guy.

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I agree. He has potential. But he is not ready to be placed into a post-season run in any capacity. Former Notre Dame HC Charlie Weis said this very thing on Monday when a caller brought up Ian Book. He said he really likes Book, but he has a long way to go to be relied upon as an NFL QB.

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One plus for Rivers is that he could almost commute from his home in Fairhope, Alabama.

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Rivers ain't coming here.

We're going to really see just how good our QB room is. In a way, it's God's way to settle the QB battle for next year. Lots of questions will be answered, including Jameis' future here as a Saint. The only QB under contract for next year is Ian Book. He'll continue to be developed. SP brought Tony Romo in and made him what he became. There's no way right now the Saints extend a mega multiyear deal for Winston. All options are on the table, more so than this past offseason. My guess is that there will be a one year incentive laden deal yet again for Winston. Or we'll make a trade for the two QB names that were bandied about during preseason... if our QB room doesn't pan out as well as we'd like. :bng:

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I haven't seen him around town yet but I'll keep my eyes open.

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If we got Rivers, maybe we could lure Antonio Gates out of retirement to replace Adam Trashman.

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8 dropped passes, 8!