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EVERYTHING about this Team is wrong right now, maybe except for Demario Davis. Beloved Drew left, and yes, it was time for Drew to leave... And then? ZERO depth - No B Plan or even a C Plan. Didn't we "Plan" for this? Why not? and What next? Next Game, Dallas. Next Season, what? Cannot blame any one Player or even Coach at this point. This puts the Die Hard Fan in a yucky place.

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Fire Mickey Loomis. He is an accountant adept at cap tricks that only push back cap hell so we never get out of it. He may not be making all the football decisions, but we need a real GM who can give Payton something other than daddys credit card to blow our cap. We need a GM who understands football and can think long term. Payton is a great coach on the field but not a GM with long term wisdom for building a team, and Loomis is an accountant whose skills might be better suited to laundering money for the cartel.

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Salient points.

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Guys.... Before you judge someone else's qualifications to judge talent, first be sure you your self are qualified to judge.


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Good point. I HAVE been drinking a bit heavily during the last few games, so my ability to judge talent, or to judge the qualifications of those who are qualified to judge talent, may have been impaired. But it's been sobering, to say the least.

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They have paid a lot of money to people who deserved and earned it. They have made a couple mistakes like Peat and Hill. They have had horrible luck with Kamara, Ram, Lutz and Winston. Davenport was a miss. Turner was a miss. Thomas was a monumental failure. Life after Brees was guaranteed to be rocky.

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I'm sorry but this was a Super Bowl quality team who just won the division 4 in a years row, The team that's lost #1 WR, #1 #2 RB, #1 and #2 QB and how many other important injuries? Everyone knows (or should know) that we went all in the last three years to try and win another with Drew. Did you think that kind of spending could last? So we took some losses Sanders, the big defensive lineman I forget his name at the moment, and Jack rabbit.
Fact is whether or not Mickey is a "football guy", which I give him a little more credit than you obviously do. Mickey has been playing the CAP like a virtuoso for years making moves when there didn't look like there was any money to be found. So what if we're having a bad year? You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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We were one of the most successful teams in the NFL for over a decade. Not many teams in the NFL ever get to experience that. It had to come at a cost and now it’s time to pay up, and I’m ok with that. Coach is doing the best he can with what he has and I don’t think any other coach/front office in the league could do better. As long as we have the same coach and management we will be on top again, even if it takes a few years. The only glaring mistake they made was not finding a legit number 2 receiver. Smith was supposed to be that guy. Nobody could foresee Thomas growing a vagina.

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Injuries. Simple.

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We have three starters on offense right now and they’re O-Linemen. It’s ok to just say the odds are stacked against us and this isn’t our year.

If you want to assign any blame I think Michael Thomas torpedoed our season. No, one player is not the whole team but in the post-Brees era MT and Kamara needed to be the faces of the franchise. I’ll be glad to have him back next year but I’ll never root for him again.

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Defense is playing lights out. But they are also playing tired. They stay in the field 75% of the time. Trevor is not the qb this team needs from here on out. No talent at wr ot te. Offensive line is all banged up. No threats on offense whatsoever when Trevor is playing qb. There is no way book could be any worse. This season is over so let’s see what we have in him.

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I’m not trying to be picky, but the D didn’t play that great IMO. The loss wasn’t on them by any means, but consider the following:

* Bills scores TDs on their first drives of game and half. The D can’t claim fatigue there.

* Team did not tackle well. Many players had lars YAC success.

* Not a lot of pressure on Allen and, when it came, he killed us on scrambles. That 3rd and long scramble was terrible.

Again, not their fault, but the large O issues are hiding D problems as well IMO.

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Ugh...its too early for this. I'm gonna go back to bed.

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Overwhelming Injuries which is not an excuse it's a factor.
And it is plain and simple..

def; factor- a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome.

And in our case a not so good outcome.

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It's not a just a factor. It's a fact that you are statistically losing winning percentage points when you go from starters to second stringers. Statics prove that your chance of winning go down. It's hard to play chess when you are left with nothing except pawns.

We're not just losing players, we are losing players at key positions QB, WR, RB, TE, and O-line. You can make up for losing a few starters but we've been devestated by inuries.

I've coached rugby teams who didn't stand a chance against the dominant regional teams. Winning all depends on the strength of the product that you trot out there. Sometime you are simply outmatched. However, My teams won plenty where they lost a few key players and we remained healthy.

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I disagree. The Saints had tons of depth coming into the season. This was one of the deepest rosters we have ever had. But even the greatest depth does not have starting quality players at backup positions across the entire roster. Good depth means you can plug a hole here or there without missing a beat. It doesn't mean fielding quality backups at half of the positions keeps the potential anywhere near as viable as when true starters were in there.

At QB, yes, Drew left. But in Winston we had a very capable starter. A big step down, but a better option than many of the teams across the league. But there are not enough quality QB's to go three deep.

One injury can be overcome. Two can be handled with some difficulty on even the best of rosters. TEN key injuries cannot be overcome no matter how much backup ability the roster had. Those backups that were supporting the special teams are now trying to replace starters. In turn, the special teams are going to take a major hit.

Injuries are not an excuse. They are a very real reason that cannot be overcome when the volume reaches what we are dealing with now.

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To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half.

We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play.

Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down.

We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome.

I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront.

It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't.

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Totally agree.

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I’m not saying they didn’t outplay the offense. No doubt Those TOs kept the Saints in the game for a while. But they gave up a TD on drive 1. Were they tired then? They gave up a TD on first drive of second half. They shouldn’t be tired then. Brees commented a few times about their coverage breakdown and confusion before snaps. They frequently couldn’t get off the field on 3rd
down and didn’t tackle well. The Bills had been performing sub par offensively the previous 2 games. All my opinion, but the D was not very good.

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We should have kept Teddy, he would have had more time to develop and was very efficient when he started. However, even with him, we lack pass catchers, so it might have been a little better but not much.

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Injuries galore.

Side note, I see Tredavious White season is over for the Bills. Torn ACL.

Football is a grind.

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I love it when our offense scores almost nothing and the the defense is attacked after a loss. I got it when our GOAT QB was in town and not producing (as he did at times). Sentiment, I get it. I just don't get it now when our O scores at total of 6. 6 pts! Loses 3 (or was it 4?) 4th down attempts, gives up an INT....really, do I need to go on? Sure the D wasn't perfect, but should they have to be?

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We were lucky to get the 6 points we did. That was basically a gentlemen's shutout.

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Would you rather have them pinching pennies while we were in a win now scenario with a Qb who could take us to the Super Bowl? Had he not gone all in it likely we don’t win the division 4 years running. We had a legitimate shot up until last year to win it all, it just didn’t work out. It happens, Super Bowls are hard to win but I would rather be in the position to win one and Loomis was a huge part of that. At some point you are going to have some down years, it was bound to happen. The Pats went through it last year and now it’s our turn.
To think this was gonna be a seamless transition is short sighted.

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Are you sure you read my points dude?

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Certain players are more susceptible to injury due to past history, style of play, body type, age, or outsized role on the offense. We have an affinity for drafting, acquiring, and committing to such players. Peat and Armstead are two. Hill with his age, college injury history, and style of play was also a high risk. Kamara is at an inherently high risk due to his position and style of play and it is a known risk to commit big dollars to one player at RB position. Thomas and Ramcyzk are bad luck though Thomas’ attitude is an issue. With Thomas my issue is that most elite WRs have been unable to win championship, and it could be that investing heavily in that position actually inhibits QBs learning to spread the ball, though Mike Evans last year was an exception perhaps due to Bradys 20yr experience spreading the ball. Another factor I think is that although its great we find value in the draft from small school and underutilized players, sometimes you know less about those players durability, so you get Davenports and Armsteads who are very talented but didnt prove they could stay health against opponents their own size in college and have not proven it in the pros. Overall I think we are partly to blame for our injury issues by taking a lot of risk in the roster we assembled and going with upside or loyalty over durability and high dollar stars at questionable positions over depth.

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I was fine with the win now philsophy when we had brees, though its questionable how spending big on a raw prospect in Davenport and expensive backup qbs fit with winning now under brees. But now brees is gone and we cant stay in win now mode or eventually 100% of our cap will be dead money and we will need 53 players on minimum contracts. We need to clear the cap. Giving $23 million guaranteed to a 31 year old qb coming off a foot injury and concussion with limited qb skills hoping he can run us out of our no WR issue is not a good way to clear the cap, its a desperate hopeless attempt to continue the win now philosophy until ever last dollar is spent even if we have to stay in cap hell for a decade. We need to face reality and not double down on desperate risks. Locking up Hill leaves us no cash to bite the bullet and cut Peat or Thomas. Its a domino of impending cap hell. And even if everything goes right, we cant win now with no WRs, so we should not be mortgaging the future to do so.

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Take a look at Hill's contract after details are released. Numbers mean nothing. It's all in the structure and the incentives.

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I don’t think anyone is saying they have to be perfect, at least not me. I was just making observations on the game. They showed up far more so than the O did. If the O had matched the D’s play it’s a close game they likely pull out. They are not a dominant defense however. I don’t think that’s an attack. They have been very good at times this season. But they had letdowns in the Atl and Giants games. Just my 2 cents worth.

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It has been reported to be $23 million guaranteed. So lets say Hill is concussed, hurt, or ineffective this season, which I think is likely, the cost is a minimum of $23 million for as little as one game. Except really i think that is low, because our team could not take a $23 million cap hit. So if Hill is concussed next game and medically retired we likely keep him on roster a year or two to stretch out the cap hit, which many will praise as Loomis’ smart cap wizardry, and pay $30-35 million for that one game. Its always smart for us to keep players because we always backload tons of guaranteed money on inconsistent injury prone players so we cant cut them when they underperform so we dont have to admit they underperformed and can call retaining them smart.

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Injury Report for the Cowboys Game reads like a really bad joke.