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K Major 12-11-2021 01:23 PM

NOLA Saints: 6 college prospects who could replace Tre’Quan Smith
 
by Leigh Oleszczak2 days ago

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The NOLA Saints are already thin at wide receiver and they’re likely going to lose Tre’Quan Smith in free agency. The UCF product hasn’t been the player New Orleans was hoping for when they spent a third-round pick on him in the 2018 NFL Draft so no one will be the least bit surprised if he signs elsewhere during the offseason.

Full story - https://whodatdish.com/2021/12/08/no...trequan-smith/

ChrisXVI 12-11-2021 03:15 PM

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I’ve been trying to think of player comps for these top WR’s… Maybe you guys have some ideas.

Chris Olave: A less-injured Will Fuller. Exact same size and deep threat speed.

Treylon Burks: A bigger AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel. Thickly built, motioned around in the backfield a lot.

Garrett Wilson: Calvin Ridley? Inside/outside versatility with incredible body control and YAC ability.

BakoSaint 12-11-2021 04:00 PM

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Next article, 6 CFL journeymen who could replace any Saints WR.

RailBoss 12-11-2021 09:17 PM

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Don't worry we're okay now..

Saints bring back Kenny Stills after losing Deonte Harris and Ty Montgomery

saintfan 12-11-2021 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 938184)
Don't worry we're okay now..

Saints bring back Kenny Stills after losing Deonte Harris and Ty Montgomery

https://static.scientificamerican.co...4AA4F6A9B72E0C

neugey 12-11-2021 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 938184)
Don't worry we're okay now..

Saints bring back Kenny Stills after losing Deonte Harris and Ty Montgomery


Just like South Park, you can kill Kenny, but he'll be back next episode.

Rugby Saint II 12-17-2021 02:58 PM

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Oh my God! They killed Kenny! You bast****!

K Major 12-20-2021 01:29 PM

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Trequan Smith disappeared (17 yards) last night. Saw him making business moves after Lavonte' popped him early in 1st quarter.

Thank goodness our #4 WR in Callaway came to play.

Again, I'd let Tre' walk in 2022. He's not helping us move the chains.

K Major 12-20-2021 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 938184)
Don't worry we're okay now..

Saints bring back Kenny Stills after losing Deonte Harris and Ty Montgomery

Not even sure why Kenny (inactive vs Bucs) was even brought back. Another veteran that's not helping us offensively.

SmashMouth 12-20-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939094)
Trequan Smith disappeared (17 yards) last night. Saw him making business moves after Lavonte' popped him early in 1st quarter.

Thank goodness our #4 WR in Callaway came to play.

Again, I'd let Tre' walk in 2022. He's not helping us move the chains.

It's truly befuddling why these guys can't take advantage of their opportunities. It can't by that hard, can it?

vpheughan 12-20-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939095)
Not even sure why Kenny (inactive vs Bucs) was even brought back. Another veteran that's not helping us offensively.

Stock answer: "Knows the System" "Brings Veteran Presents To The Locker Room" "It Is What It Is" "The Sky Is Above Our Heads" ect. ect. ect.

K Major 12-20-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 938175)
I’ve been trying to think of player comps for these top WR’s… Maybe you guys have some ideas.

Chris Olave: A less-injured Will Fuller. Exact same size and deep threat speed.

Treylon Burks: A bigger AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel. Thickly built, motioned around in the backfield a lot.

Garrett Wilson: Calvin Ridley? Inside/outside versatility with incredible body control and YAC ability.

One of these guys will be there regardless of where we are in the draft order.

I'd be elated with any ... especially Burks.

At least 2 could potentially end up as Day 1 starters at the next level.

vpheughan 12-20-2021 02:09 PM

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New Orleans Saints 1987 Receiving Corps

83 Cliff Benson TE 8 3 26 Purdue
85 Hoby Brenner TE 12 10 28 Southern California
89 Robert Clark WR 2 0 22 North Carolina Central
80 Stacey Dawsey WR 3 3 22 Indiana
82 Darren Gottschalk TE 1 0 22 California Lutheran
37 Mel Gray WR 12 1 26 Purdue
80 Herbert Harris WR 2 0 26 Lamar
86 Vic Harrison WR 3 0 26 North Carolina
87 Lonzell Hill WR 10 1 22 Washington
86 Mike Jones WR 12 7 27 Tennessee State
84 Eric Martin WR 15 11 25 Louisiana State
2 Ken O'Neal TE 2 0 25 Idaho State
88 Mark Pattison WR 9 4 25 Washington
87 Malcolm Scott TE 3 3 26 Louisiana State
85 Curtland Thomas WR 2 0 25 Missouri
89 Joe Thomas WR 1 0 24 Mississippi Valley State
82 John Tice TE 12 8 27 Maryland
88 Mike Watters TE

AsylumGuido 12-20-2021 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939098)
It's truly befuddling why these guys can't take advantage of their opportunities. It can't by that hard, can it?

Unfortunately it takes two parties to play pass and catch. Both Taysom (injured finger) and Siemian (ineptitude) haven't shown the consistent ability to throw catchable balls when the receivers do get open. I think Brees could take the field today and be making what we have now look like solid NFL starters.

K Major 12-20-2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939098)
It's truly befuddling why these guys can't take advantage of their opportunities. It can't by that hard, can it?

I only see one route runner on the roster and he's gone for the year. Tre, Kenny, Chris Hogen, Kevin White, etc just don't have the ability to get open.

Deonte & Callaway are the only guys worth keeping around next season.

Help your QB out, come back to the ball or go get it in traffic.

Draft 2, then go get a dawg in Free Agency. We need help offensively.

dizzle88 12-20-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 939108)
Unfortunately it takes two parties to play pass and catch. Both Taysom (injured finger) and Siemian (ineptitude) haven't shown the consistent ability to throw catchable balls when the receivers do get open. I think Brees could take the field today and be making what we have now look like solid NFL starters.

I do have to admit, Taysom's deep pass to Callaway showed nice touch and accuracy, something I didn't see last season.

Hopefully he can become more consistent and allow this offense to get better.

AsylumGuido 12-20-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 939112)
I do have to admit, Taysom's deep pass to Callaway showed nice touch and accuracy, something I didn't see last season.

Hopefully he can become more consistent and allow this offense to get better.

Yeah. That pass was nice. His problem has been on those 10-15 yarders.

Boston Saint 12-20-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 939112)
I do have to admit, Taysom's deep pass to Callaway showed nice touch and accuracy, something I didn't see last season.

Hopefully he can become more consistent and allow this offense to get better.

No guarantee he will be back of course, but I still think Winston has more potential and upside as a starter. Just my opinion and I’m not trying to start a big debate.

K Major 12-20-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 939114)
No guarantee he will be back of course, but I still think Winston has more potential and upside as a starter.

Yes. You have gotta get better this off-season ... both at QB and WR.

9 points (all fgs) isn't gonna get it done consistently at this level.

Missed opportunities passing and catching.

dizzle88 12-20-2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 939114)
No guarantee he will be back of course, but I still think Winston has more potential and upside as a starter. Just my opinion and I’m not trying to start a big debate.

Completely valid and respect your opinion.

I hope the news about Russell Wilson wanting to be a Saint is reciprocated by our management though, I'd love that move.

Boston Saint 12-20-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 939118)
Completely valid and respect your opinion.

I hope the news about Russell Wilson wanting to be a Saint is reciprocated by our management though, I'd love that move.

Indeed. I wonder what it would cost to get him?

saintfan 12-20-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939098)
It's truly befuddling why these guys can't take advantage of their opportunities. It can't by that hard, can it?

I think it is that hard.

The WR group was sucking from day 1. With Jameis, who was throwing catchable balls, certainly not inept, and didn't have an injured finger. Our inability to have a meaningful passing game has been present regardless of who is throwing.

Give me Hill, and solid and healthy oline, and a few WRs who understand in the NFL you have to play with nuance. I'm not sure we have anybody on the roster who understands that. At least Calloway is trying. Smith sure isn't. And we need a freaking TE.

lee909 12-20-2021 05:17 PM

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If Thomas is back next year I don't think the starting 3 is back. Thomas and Calloway with Harris

Problem is Harris is a FA aswell and I can see him getting a offer the Saints can't match. 21 teams have over 20ml in free space. Going to be the same with Armstead,Williams

AsylumGuido 12-20-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 939124)
If Thomas is back next year I don't think the starting 3 is back. Thomas and Calloway with Harris

Problem is Harris is a FA aswell and I can see him getting a offer the Saints can't match. 21 teams have over 20ml in free space. Going to be the same with Armstead,Williams

The space in 2022 doesn't matter much. Contracts can be backloaded easily.

Boston Saint 12-20-2021 05:57 PM

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Speaking of prospects for WRs, has anyone heard anything about Thomas’ status? Is he resting, is he rehabbing, is another procedure coming? Are we gonna find out a week before camp starts that he’s still not healthy?

K Major 12-20-2021 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 939126)
Speaking of prospects for WRs, has anyone heard anything about Thomas’ status? Is he resting, is he rehabbing, is another procedure coming? Are we gonna find out a week before camp starts that he’s still not healthy?

Boston, that's a good question. Haven't read much on his rehab/ progress as of late.

SmashMouth 12-20-2021 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 939123)
I think it is that hard.

The WR group was sucking from day 1. With Jameis, who was throwing catchable balls, certainly not inept, and didn't have an injured finger. Our inability to have a meaningful passing game has been present regardless of who is throwing.

Give me Hill, and solid and healthy oline, and a few WRs who understand in the NFL you have to play with nuance. I'm not sure we have anybody on the roster who understands that. At least Calloway is trying. Smith sure isn't. And we need a freaking TE.

Is it even remotely possible that the Saints' front office has not been nearly as successful in properly assessing talent for the WR room as other positions? If so, does the WR coach have any input? We know who this is and all think he's a good coach... or is he? Ireland's addition has been invaluable. So why has he failed us at getting us proper WRs? As a comparison, who are the New England WRs? I can't name one off the top of my head. Are they pass catchers, decent blockers, and route runners? Methinks more than ours are, even with our QB situation.

saintfan 12-20-2021 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939144)
Is it even remotely possible that the Saints' front office has not been nearly as successful in properly assessing talent for the WR room as other positions? If so, does the WR coach have any input? We know who this is and all think he's a good coach... or is he? Ireland's addition has been invaluable. So why has he failed us at getting us proper WRs? As a comparison, who are the New England WRs? I can't name one off the top of my head. Are they pass catchers, decent blockers, and route runners? Methinks more than ours are, even with our QB situation.

I can't prove it of course. I think management knows what we have. I don't think we have a coaching problem. Sean is not going to stand at the podium and reveal what I think he already knows and knew before the season started: Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent.

That was WITH MT as the 1. Because of that we were going to be a run first offense. But we had MT. MT maybe brings one of these guys along...Calloway maybe. I think we whiffed on Smith, but it happens. That guy is not the answer...for anything. I still think losing Thomas hurt this team a LOT more than most probably do. Along with 1 talent he brought fire on Offense. We are loaded with that on Defense.

And neither is Trautman the answer at TE. I'm off that dude like JP is off on Armstead. Cut bait on that fool. Armstead may be injury prone, but nobody is better than he is when he's 75% even. Trautman will always be a tease. He hurt his knee cause he don't know how to fall. He flops to the ground. If he ever does figure it out he will be one of those guys who can't suit up because he's hurt for some thing or other.

I think they sold us snake oil. They kinda had no choice. Hard decisions had to be made. Poor Jameis. He was playing the hand he was dealt, playing within the system...nobody would catch the damn ball...or get open. Imagine if they had...

Pulling for them to turn it around of course. I just don't think we have enough talent at WR, everything else notwithstanding.

K Major 12-20-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 939155)
I can't prove it of course. I think management knows what we have. I don't think we have a coaching problem. Sean is not going to stand at the podium and reveal what I think he already knows and knew before the season started: Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent.

That was WITH MT as the 1. Because of that we were going to be a run first offense. But we had MT. MT maybe brings one of these guys along...Calloway maybe. I think we whiffed on Smith, but it happens. That guy is not the answer...for anything. I still think losing Thomas hurt this team a LOT more than most probably do. Along with 1 talent he brought fire on Offense. We are loaded with that on Defense.

And neither is Trautman the answer at TE. I'm off that dude like JP is off on Armstead. Cut bait on that fool. Armstead may be injury prone, but nobody is better than he is when he's 75% even. Trautman will always be a tease. He hurt his knee cause he don't know how to fall. He flops to the ground. If he ever does figure it out he will be one of those guys who can't suit up because he's hurt for some thing or other.

I think they sold us snake oil. They kinda had no choice. Hard decisions had to be made. Poor Jameis. He was playing the hand he was dealt, playing within the system...nobody would catch the damn ball...or get open. Imagine if they had...

Pulling for them to turn it around of course. I just don't think we have enough talent at WR, everything else notwithstanding.

Hard facts.

SmashMouth 12-20-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 939155)
I can't prove it of course. I think management knows what we have. I don't think we have a coaching problem. Sean is not going to stand at the podium and reveal what I think he already knows and knew before the season started: Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent.

That was WITH MT as the 1. Because of that we were going to be a run first offense. But we had MT. MT maybe brings one of these guys along...Calloway maybe. I think we whiffed on Smith, but it happens. That guy is not the answer...for anything. I still think losing Thomas hurt this team a LOT more than most probably do. Along with 1 talent he brought fire on Offense. We are loaded with that on Defense.

And neither is Trautman the answer at TE. I'm off that dude like JP is off on Armstead. Cut bait on that fool. Armstead may be injury prone, but nobody is better than he is when he's 75% even. Trautman will always be a tease. He hurt his knee cause he don't know how to fall. He flops to the ground. If he ever does figure it out he will be one of those guys who can't suit up because he's hurt for some thing or other.

I think they sold us snake oil. They kinda had no choice. Hard decisions had to be made. Poor Jameis. He was playing the hand he was dealt, playing within the system...nobody would catch the damn ball...or get open. Imagine if they had...

Pulling for them to turn it around of course. I just don't think we have enough talent at WR, everything else notwithstanding.

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939156)
Hard facts.

OK... you went from Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent to I just don't think we have enough talent at WR ... :apu:

:bugeyes:

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saintfan 12-20-2021 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939157)
OK... you went from Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent to I just don't think we have enough talent at WR ... :apu:

:bugeyes:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlissfulWe...in-max-1mb.gif

I went to all that trouble. All I wanted to say is that our WRs suck. With maybe an exception or two...but they suck.

K Major 12-20-2021 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 939157)
OK... you went from Our WR room is optimistically borderline decent to I just don't think we have enough talent at WR ... :apu:

:bugeyes:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlissfulWe...in-max-1mb.gif

Personally, we need better TALENT at WR. Period.

In my mind, too many practice squad level guys who can’t run proper routes or make plays on a consistent basis.

I’m also not a fan of Adam Trautman at TE. I understand they take time to develop but sample size, he’s just not ready.

I know I’m beating a dead horse but we are seeing the result of ignoring WR position over the last 3 seasons.

There are are least 5 dawgs in the SEC who can help this offense Day 1. Scouts need to be on their A game. We’re hurting badly at wr.

jeanpierre 12-20-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939094)
Trequan Smith disappeared (17 yards) last night. Saw him making business moves after Lavonte' popped him early in 1st quarter.

Thank goodness our #4 WR in Callaway came to play.

Again, I'd let Tre' walk in 2022. He's not helping us move the chains.

That wasn't the worst part...

The worst part was the first drive when the Saints had to call Time Out because Taysom realized TreQuan didn't enter the huddle (he was still on the sideline)...

You can see briefly before the Network pulled the cameras away some teammates were getting on TreQuan's case and he was signalling he didn't hear the player package call...

K Major 12-20-2021 08:38 PM

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Wow … ^^

jeanpierre 12-20-2021 08:44 PM

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As or even more important though is the offensive line...

Ruiz (Center) and Peat (Left Tackle) are the same disaffected, mopey, ineffective disasters at the guards...

Factoring age, oft-injured, have to recoup the cap money on Mr. Glass (Armstead) to address a veteran contribution at WR...

Emmanuel Sanders should never have been released...


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