So does that mean Aaron isn't part of the team?

And Whodi, I see you still don't let the facts get in the way of your Brooks bashing. Try this.


Fumble on Kickoff - 7-0 Giants.
Saints punt.
Giants drive, score - 14-0 Giants.
Saints drive, score (AB to horn) - 14-7 Giants. (On the drive, Brooks completed passes for 70 yards and had a roughing the passer penalty. Deuce carried 1 time for 3 yards. Caught two passes for 8.)

With 3:27 left in the first half AB throws an INT.

Giants run 3 plays. On 3rd down Smith sacks Manning - illegal contact on Hodge. The Giants end up scoring. Now personally, that's on the stupid a$$ defense and specifically Hodge, not Brooks. But even still, let's say that Brooks gave them 7 on that turnover, OK?

Saints ball - 2 minute drill (all passes) - field goal. That's 10 points on drives engineered by Brooks. So far he's caused MAYBE 7.


ALL of his other turnovers were in the SECOND half. Not first. The Giants only scored on two more field goals all game.

One came after the AB fumble. On that "drive" Charles Grant had a roughing the passer penalty and McKenzie had a holding penalty to put the Giants in field goal range and keep their drive alive. Sure - that's all AB's fault.

Their other field goal came on the drive after Carney missed the field goal. So, AT THE MOST, AB could have given the Giants 10 point - which is exactly how many he accounted for mostly himself. Really, his 4 turnovers would have resulted in zero points if the defense hadn't freaking hurt itself.


No, I'm not OK with that. Never have I said I was OK with that. But you seemingly ignore the numerous drive sustaining penalties that the defense committed in your haste to bash AB. He didn't have a good game, but he also didn't have a terrible one.

So then what's your point? When a game is in doubt, turnovers are NEVER good. If AB doesn't turn the ball over, is the defense on the field to committ those penalties, or is the drive continuing to either a punt or a score? We can go round and round all day. If you agree AB had a mediocre game, then he was a part of the reason we lost. If you don't disagree, what are you looking to prove? How is saying AB is a part of the reason we lost bashing? And when are you gonna address the 50 other folks who said the same thing? What are you getting at?

Mediocre is part of the reason we lost? See, I took good to mean - helpful towards a win, bad as hurtful, and mediocre as neither - but I guess anything less than excellent means you're partly to blame. Great. Everyone on the Saints team is to blame for the loss against the Giants. Maybe Horn could have been excused... but he FUMBLED!!! OH MY GOD!!! GET A NEW STARTING WR!!!! <gasp>!

That's all you got? Here's the problem, I never said AB was the reason we lost, EVER, yet you are attempting to somehow disprove that. If I never said it, what are you working towards? Next, mediocre, when it's obvious the Giants focus is to take away Deuce and let AB beat them, IS bad. Unless you saw a different strategy than I did. They stuffed the run,and let AB throw all day. He threw lazers all night, and then he made the inevitable AB mistakes. And please don't try to dismiss that tipped piss. I thanked God they showed it again on PTI cause I erased my DVR of the game to make space for some shows last night. A defender was rushing him, and he flung the ball into the middle of the field and hit Donte in the pads. Donte never even looked for the ball. So if you are keeping score at home, that's 2 INTs and 1 fumble while the game was still in doubt. Yeah, we shouldn't blame him at all.

Last, after the Panthers game, I not only gave him props, I posted an article speaking to his hew found leadership in how he gave the team credit for the win. Yup, sounds like a basher. Maybe if you don't argue non-existent points, you won't have to fabricate fictional statements like getting rid of Joe Horn. And if you are keeping score again, AB has 5 turnovers and one TD on the year. When are you gonna start the MVP parade?

Uh - your first post was that AB is terrible. I simply said that isn't true. Now you're saying he played well in week 1 and mediocre in week 2. Ok, I proved my point. Thanks.

you know I dont post here much for these reasons, all people wanna do is blame some ONE, the giants didnt beat the saints, the saints beat the saints....conwell, horn, drop/fumble TD passes, carney misses a gimme... 17pts, the opening kickoff fumbled possible 14 pt swing, how may penalties and personal fouls that kept drives alive, all of course is brooks fault, sure....brooks made mistakes, but also made some incredible throws with def hanging on his pantlegs, all game long, its his fault the line cant block, his fault OC cant put karney in front of deuce, its all brooks fault, u guys got it all figured out, how come u arent coaching the saints??

If your point is you had none, you proved it well. I also said this in my first post:

Miss that somehow? By no means should anyone consider a QB who is on one game and off the next for his whole career terrible. God forbid. And when have you known me to not feel AB was terrible? I keep saying he has yet to prove me wrong. You're not inventing the wheel there bud. I give him credit when he plays well though, seems it would say something about a QB people have to actually point out when he plays well instead of simply expecting him to play well. I seem to recall you had plenty of knocks for AB too, until now for some reason. But let's get back to what you are "trying" to prove, or not, cause who the hell knows. Why would you lay out a play by play a few posts back outlining how the DEFENSE was responsible for us giving up points after ABs turnovers(but somehow AB wasn't), but then on another forum, you say:


But when defending AB here it's:

Maybe? huh? Seemed more definitive above. But that's on another forum. But let's dig deeper:

Said when defending the defense, again on another forum. But when defending Brooks here it's :

huh? Now they are a stupid ass defense, but you are pretty okay with that kind of defensive performance, personally? Both of these statements made today, on two different sites. Trying to prove what again? Oh, that when someone says Brooks is one of the reasons we lost, he is really saying Brooks is the only reason. Gotcha.

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whodi likes to argue :)

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