Head Coach Search

rezburna · 02-05-2022, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

False equivalency Rez.

A Billionaire gaining ownership, I don't care what color they are, isn't "helping us out"...

I don't see how you can trivialize the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements that follow as simply labor on the field.

The response in recent years has in fact done more to elevate people of color into the positions they're qualified for than ever before. The path is there. The makeup is changing. But I get the feeling it's not enough or not happening quickly enough. So what IS the desired outcome?

It's not delegitimizing the argument it's trying to remove the surface level argument of race permeating every facet of our views.

It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries.

There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too.

And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all.

saintsfan1976 · 02-06-2022, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries.

There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too.

And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all.

I'm not following you on how paying salaries correlates to leadership in the NFL. Or diversity. Or equity. Maybe I'm just missing the point but I respect your view.

There's one black HC today yes. But there were three last season. This season, nine HCs were fired. Six jobs have been filled (with white men) but if you read about the connections and reasoning, it's hard to surmise race a factor: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coach-h...versity-issues

Also worth noting from that article: Two more Black general managers were hired in Chicago (Ryan Poles) and Minnesota (Kwesi Adofo-Mensah), bringing the total to seven Black GMs (the most since 2016), important diversity in the job that usually advises owners most closely on football matters. Those were all, inarguably, positive developments.

I can appreciate that race wasn't created by black people. And although it does, as you say "permeate every facet of society" - it shouldn't. And it only does because we allow it to. We allow ourselves to be divided on superficial lines and in fact we allow certain figures to promote a sort of "anti hate" that is many ways bent on forcefully over-correcting society through aggressive means that only furthers the divide among us.

And lastly, if a black CEO can change the healthcare system to work for all of us instead of preying on us for profits then I hope every seat in America is filled by one. But in reality, it'll only be for show.

rezburna · 02-06-2022, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm not following you on how paying salaries correlates to leadership in the NFL. Or diversity. Or equity. Maybe I'm just missing the point but I respect your view.

There's one black HC today yes. But there were three last season. This season, nine HCs were fired. Six jobs have been filled (with white men) but if you read about the connections and reasoning, it's hard to surmise race a factor: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coach-h...versity-issues

Also worth noting from that article: Two more Black general managers were hired in Chicago (Ryan Poles) and Minnesota (Kwesi Adofo-Mensah), bringing the total to seven Black GMs (the most since 2016), important diversity in the job that usually advises owners most closely on football matters. Those were all, inarguably, positive developments.

I can appreciate that race wasn't created by black people. And although it does, as you say "permeate every facet of society" - it shouldn't. And it only does because we allow it to. We allow ourselves to be divided on superficial lines and in fact we allow certain figures to promote a sort of "anti hate" that is many ways bent on forcefully over-correcting society through aggressive means that only furthers the divide among us.

And lastly, if a black CEO can change the healthcare system to work for all of us instead of preying on us for profits then I hope every seat in America is filled by one. But in reality, it'll only be for show.

The core of the conversation is that in order to really effect change you have to be in control. You have to be a decision maker. You have to be in important positions with influence and power on your side. Race shouldn’t permeate every facet of society but it does, so as the demographic that sits on the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole we aren’t in any real position to say that we aren’t going to go along with the rules of the game.

We’re in a capitalistic society and we desire the capital and positions of power that would allow us to give ourselves equality and equity instead of always having to beg for it from White America. Many Black people think money can allow them to subvert racism but that’s not true, that can only be done at a macro level with large segments of the group rising to power and handling that power equitably amongst our community.

Now again, I go back to agreeing with the fact that these owners can do what they want with their teams. At the end of the day if the Black players and coaches truly wanted to take a stand they could all break away from the NFL and partner up with the 7 Black billionaires in America to start their own league. They could even go to the XFL and make sure that those teams have the desired level of African American influence to reflect the population of the players.

But that’s the honorable Malcolm X talk, and most of our community still has similar to hopes to the honorable Dr. Martin Luther King. So for somebody like me viewing the situation, the NFL owners and corporations all across America should really be grateful that the Black community is still so hopeful.

02-05-2022, 12:00 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 False equivalency Rez. A Billionaire gaining ownership, I don't care what color they are, isn't "helping us out"... I don't see how you can trivialize the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements that follow as simply labor on the field. The response in recent years has in fact done more to elevate people of color into the positions they're qualified for than ever before. The path is there. The makeup is changing. But I get the feeling it's not enough or not happening quickly enough. So what IS the desired outcome? It's not delegitimizing the argument it's trying to remove the surface level argument of race permeating every facet of our views. It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries. There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too. And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all.
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

02-06-2022, 09:24 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,996 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries. There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too. And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all. I'm not following you on how paying salaries correlates to leadership in the NFL. Or diversity. Or equity. Maybe I'm just missing the point but I respect your view. There's one black HC today yes. But there were three last season. This season, nine HCs were fired. Six jobs have been filled (with white men) but if you read about the connections and reasoning, it's hard to surmise race a factor: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coach-h...versity-issues Also worth noting from that article: Two more Black general managers were hired in Chicago (Ryan Poles) and Minnesota (Kwesi Adofo-Mensah), bringing the total to seven Black GMs (the most since 2016), important diversity in the job that usually advises owners most closely on football matters. Those were all, inarguably, positive developments. I can appreciate that race wasn't created by black people. And although it does, as you say "permeate every facet of society" - it shouldn't. And it only does because we allow it to. We allow ourselves to be divided on superficial lines and in fact we allow certain figures to promote a sort of "anti hate" that is many ways bent on forcefully over-correcting society through aggressive means that only furthers the divide among us. And lastly, if a black CEO can change the healthcare system to work for all of us instead of preying on us for profits then I hope every seat in America is filled by one. But in reality, it'll only be for show.

02-06-2022, 10:09 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm not following you on how paying salaries correlates to leadership in the NFL. Or diversity. Or equity. Maybe I'm just missing the point but I respect your view. There's one black HC today yes. But there were three last season. This season, nine HCs were fired. Six jobs have been filled (with white men) but if you read about the connections and reasoning, it's hard to surmise race a factor: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coach-h...versity-issues Also worth noting from that article: Two more Black general managers were hired in Chicago (Ryan Poles) and Minnesota (Kwesi Adofo-Mensah), bringing the total to seven Black GMs (the most since 2016), important diversity in the job that usually advises owners most closely on football matters. Those were all, inarguably, positive developments. I can appreciate that race wasn't created by black people. And although it does, as you say "permeate every facet of society" - it shouldn't. And it only does because we allow it to. We allow ourselves to be divided on superficial lines and in fact we allow certain figures to promote a sort of "anti hate" that is many ways bent on forcefully over-correcting society through aggressive means that only furthers the divide among us. And lastly, if a black CEO can change the healthcare system to work for all of us instead of preying on us for profits then I hope every seat in America is filled by one. But in reality, it'll only be for show. The core of the conversation is that in order to really effect change you have to be in control. You have to be a decision maker. You have to be in important positions with influence and power on your side. Race shouldn’t permeate every facet of society but it does, so as the demographic that sits on the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole we aren’t in any real position to say that we aren’t going to go along with the rules of the game. We’re in a capitalistic society and we desire the capital and positions of power that would allow us to give ourselves equality and equity instead of always having to beg for it from White America. Many Black people think money can allow them to subvert racism but that’s not true, that can only be done at a macro level with large segments of the group rising to power and handling that power equitably amongst our community. Now again, I go back to agreeing with the fact that these owners can do what they want with their teams. At the end of the day if the Black players and coaches truly wanted to take a stand they could all break away from the NFL and partner up with the 7 Black billionaires in America to start their own league. They could even go to the XFL and make sure that those teams have the desired level of African American influence to reflect the population of the players. But that’s the honorable Malcolm X talk, and most of our community still has similar to hopes to the honorable Dr. Martin Luther King. So for somebody like me viewing the situation, the NFL owners and corporations all across America should really be grateful that the Black community is still so hopeful.
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael