Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2022, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Now that Payton is "semi retired" & out of those coaching meetings, do you see Dennis/Pete C continue to move forward with Taysom as the "Joker" type in this offense?

I guess it depends upon who viewed him as what between Payton and Carmichael. Was it Pete or Sean's feeling he could be a starting QB?

The Dude · 02-23-2022, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Now that Payton is "semi retired" & out of those coaching meetings, do you see Dennis/Pete C continue to move forward with Taysom as the "Joker" type in this offense?

I was thinking about this the other day. Hill desperately wants to be a QB and after the injury I wonder how willing he is going to be to risk injury playing the joker roll. I think he may come out of this with a higher sense of mortality when it comes to the longevity of his career.

Originally Posted by TheOak

Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021..

"***k New Orleans"

Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ****ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow.

If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be ***k you, ***k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis.

I agree with this 100%. People are all arguing about bringing him back and nobody seems to realize it’s up to him. When Payton finally named him as the starter he kept Winston handcuffed most of the time because he wanted to limit turnovers.
I doubt he would have tried to run through all those defenders if Payton hadn’t had him on such a short leash. Hell he doesn’t even have the support of the fans here. I really don’t see anything about our organization that is more attractive than Pittsburgh.

saintfan · 02-22-2022, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Guess we'll see.

Scratch off Desean W, ARod, Jimmy G & Russ. Not realistic options.

Just to give you an idea of QBs that will hit the market in Free Agency:

Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, Old man Joe Flacco, Fig Newton, 2Glove Teddy, Mariota, Trubisquit, & the Harvard Guy (Fitz).

PLAN B could get mediocre to ugly if JW signs elsewhere.

Of course I want us to win it all, but Plan B would still be fun to watch in that the organization dug this hole - now lets see them fix it. And you never know what Book might have, or some guy we may draft in the late rounds or sign off the street. Look at Delhomme, Warner, and for that matter even Drew. I mean there are stories like that every year or three. Maybe we find that diamond in the rough.

saintfan · 02-22-2022, 08:39 PM

Yep - right on time. What's your source this time speedo?

NFL Contracts for dummies?

He posted it so fast he had to go back and make multiple edits, which confirms all he's doing is a nice google search followed by some re-wording so he can tell himself how smart he is.

TheOak · 02-23-2022, 06:49 AM

Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021..

"***k New Orleans"

Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ****ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow.

If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be ***k you, ***k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis.

Boston Saint · 02-23-2022, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021..

"***k New Orleans"

Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ****ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow.

If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be ***k you, ***k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis.

Just curious Oak, you earlier asked for reasons why Winston would want to come back here. Rez and I gave you several. Did you have any thoughts on those ?

As for the scenario you describe I don’t see why Winston would be pissed. He wouldn’t have come back for second time if he had hard feelings. He was clearly awarded the starting job and would certainly have been rewarded with a new contract had he not been cheap shotted by the bucks. I guess I must have missed it if he was upset and said “F New Orleans”.

TheOak · 02-23-2022, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Just curious Oak, you earlier asked for reasons why Winston would want to come back here. Rez and I gave you several. Did you have any thoughts on those ?

As for the scenario you describe I don’t see why Winston would be pissed. He wouldn’t have come back for second time if he had hard feelings. He was clearly awarded the starting job and would certainly have been rewarded with a new contract had he not been cheap shotted by the bucks. I guess I must have missed it if he was upset and said “F New Orleans”.

Sh1t you not. Yes and I’ve typed two responses lol. First one was at home but forgot to hit send before leaving for the office. Second one I was reading to make sure it made sense then the phone rang, mouse got bumped during the call, browser got closed and all was lost lol.

The short of it is yes I understand the ‘close to home aspect’ which is definitely in our favor. On the playbook familiarity I’ll write more later when I have time. I saw your question on Franchise Tag and they can but the problem is cap space and that tag being a one year all in hit. Loomis would have to restructure his azz off if that’s the best use of the tag.

QB Tag is $28.5MM this year

Boston Saint · 02-23-2022, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sh1t you not. Yes and I’ve typed two responses lol. First one was at home but forgot to hit send before leaving for the office. Second one I was reading to make sure it made sense then the phone rang, mouse got bumped during the call, browser got closed and all was lost lol.

The short of it is yes I understand the ‘close to home aspect’ which is definitely in our favor. On the playbook familiarity I’ll write more later when I have time. I saw your question on Franchise Tag and they can but the problem is cap space and that tag being a one year all in hit. Loomis would have to restructure his azz off if that’s the best use of the tag.

QB Tag is $28.5MM this year

No, I would not franchise tag either. But it may set a basis for negotiation. Also, don’t you think signing into the NFC south gives you a very good chance to make the playoffs ?

K Major · 02-23-2022, 07:47 AM

Before Payton left I thought the Saints would likely remain JW preferred destination, but that may no longer be the case, so we'll see what happens.

March 16th ….it gets real around the league.

Boston Saint · 02-23-2022, 09:34 AM

Not that I’m saying I want them to do it, but Winston could get franchise tagged should the team wish I believe.

That may give the team a bit of incentive/leverage in their path forward.

02-22-2022, 04:04 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by K Major Now that Payton is "semi retired" & out of those coaching meetings, do you see Dennis/Pete C continue to move forward with Taysom as the "Joker" type in this offense? I guess it depends upon who viewed him as what between Payton and Carmichael. Was it Pete or Sean's feeling he could be a starting QB?

02-23-2022, 07:29 AM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by K Major Now that Payton is "semi retired" & out of those coaching meetings, do you see Dennis/Pete C continue to move forward with Taysom as the "Joker" type in this offense? I was thinking about this the other day. Hill desperately wants to be a QB and after the injury I wonder how willing he is going to be to risk injury playing the joker roll. I think he may come out of this with a higher sense of mortality when it comes to the longevity of his career. Originally Posted by TheOak Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021.. "*k New Orleans" Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow. If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be k you, **k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis. I agree with this 100%. People are all arguing about bringing him back and nobody seems to realize it’s up to him. When Payton finally named him as the starter he kept Winston handcuffed most of the time because he wanted to limit turnovers. I doubt he would have tried to run through all those defenders if Payton hadn’t had him on such a short leash. Hell he doesn’t even have the support of the fans here. I really don’t see anything about our organization that is more attractive than Pittsburgh.
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02-22-2022, 10:19 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by K Major Guess we'll see. Scratch off Desean W, ARod, Jimmy G & Russ. Not realistic options. Just to give you an idea of QBs that will hit the market in Free Agency: Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, Old man Joe Flacco, Fig Newton, 2Glove Teddy, Mariota, Trubisquit, & the Harvard Guy (Fitz). PLAN B could get mediocre to ugly if JW signs elsewhere. Of course I want us to win it all, but Plan B would still be fun to watch in that the organization dug this hole - now lets see them fix it. And you never know what Book might have, or some guy we may draft in the late rounds or sign off the street. Look at Delhomme, Warner, and for that matter even Drew. I mean there are stories like that every year or three. Maybe we find that diamond in the rough. jnormand likes this.

02-22-2022, 08:39 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Yep - right on time. What's your source this time speedo? NFL Contracts for dummies? He posted it so fast he had to go back and make multiple edits, which confirms all he's doing is a nice google search followed by some re-wording so he can tell himself how smart he is. jnormand likes this.

02-23-2022, 06:49 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021.. "*k New Orleans" Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow. If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be k you, **k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis.

02-23-2022, 07:22 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by TheOak Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021.. "*k New Orleans" Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow. If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be k you, **k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis. Just curious Oak, you earlier asked for reasons why Winston would want to come back here. Rez and I gave you several. Did you have any thoughts on those ? As for the scenario you describe I don’t see why Winston would be pissed. He wouldn’t have come back for second time if he had hard feelings. He was clearly awarded the starting job and would certainly have been rewarded with a new contract had he not been cheap shotted by the bucks. I guess I must have missed it if he was upset and said “F New Orleans”.
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02-23-2022, 11:18 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by Boston Saint Just curious Oak, you earlier asked for reasons why Winston would want to come back here. Rez and I gave you several. Did you have any thoughts on those ? As for the scenario you describe I don’t see why Winston would be pissed. He wouldn’t have come back for second time if he had hard feelings. He was clearly awarded the starting job and would certainly have been rewarded with a new contract had he not been cheap shotted by the bucks. I guess I must have missed it if he was upset and said “F New Orleans”. Sh1t you not. Yes and I’ve typed two responses lol. First one was at home but forgot to hit send before leaving for the office. Second one I was reading to make sure it made sense then the phone rang, mouse got bumped during the call, browser got closed and all was lost lol. The short of it is yes I understand the ‘close to home aspect’ which is definitely in our favor. On the playbook familiarity I’ll write more later when I have time. I saw your question on Franchise Tag and they can but the problem is cap space and that tag being a one year all in hit. Loomis would have to restructure his azz off if that’s the best use of the tag. QB Tag is $28.5MM this year Boston Saint likes this.
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02-23-2022, 11:48 AM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by TheOak Sh1t you not. Yes and I’ve typed two responses lol. First one was at home but forgot to hit send before leaving for the office. Second one I was reading to make sure it made sense then the phone rang, mouse got bumped during the call, browser got closed and all was lost lol. The short of it is yes I understand the ‘close to home aspect’ which is definitely in our favor. On the playbook familiarity I’ll write more later when I have time. I saw your question on Franchise Tag and they can but the problem is cap space and that tag being a one year all in hit. Loomis would have to restructure his azz off if that’s the best use of the tag. QB Tag is $28.5MM this year No, I would not franchise tag either. But it may set a basis for negotiation. Also, don’t you think signing into the NFC south gives you a very good chance to make the playoffs ?

02-23-2022, 07:47 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Before Payton left I thought the Saints would likely remain JW preferred destination, but that may no longer be the case, so we'll see what happens. March 16th ….it gets real around the league.

02-23-2022, 09:34 AM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Not that I’m saying I want them to do it, but Winston could get franchise tagged should the team wish I believe. That may give the team a bit of incentive/leverage in their path forward.